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Posted By stuart cross
I've just logged on to look at the new slides and I'm very disappointed. The pale blue text on a white background wont work...not unless we all sit in the dark, also anyone with any mild eyesight problems will only see the glare. I'm also ov the scholl of trainers that doesn't like flashy powerpoint, everyone sits there thinking what will come next. I also find the graphics too simplistic...I hope the ones shown will not be in managing safely.
Any comments from you trainers out there?
Click the enjoy learning link on the home page.
Stuart
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Hi Stuart
Unless I've been looking at the wrong bits, the material provided is totally inadequate to arrive at any defensible conclusion.
However, I am extremely concerned that the already crowded syllabus that leads to an extremely intensive day that is frequently at [or often beyond] the limits of the attendees to assimilate meaningfully has now been further extended by the inclusion of additional material.
The course is promoted as a 1/2 day course but in practice, trying to get a client to do 2 days is very difficult as they just cite the other providers who do it in 1 day and ask why you can't! Frequently, it's just seen as an unnecessary expense and a means of padding the bill; especially by the many organisations that really only see the course as a means of proving to their clients that their staff are "safe".
Incidentally, has anyone done a real study on real WS attendees on the amount of time the syndicate exercises eat up if done meaningfully? If they have, could you share it with me please?
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Ken Taylor
But what a major contribution to road safety in the hazard/risk presentation!
Personally, I still use OHPs as they are less likely to go wrong (Always have a spare bulb).
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Posted By J Knight
Hi Stuart,
I agree with your comments as it happens. Healthcare Risk & Safety Management seems more 'grown up' than this, perhaps the new Managing Safely will also look more serious. I wonder about the potential to cut slides out when they have this 'seamless' journey from each to the next; if we have to use all the slides we'll not have time for anything else.
On a slightly different tack; does anybody think that courses like this make a blind bit of difference to working practice? I feel they are useful only for those who already have an interest; on a few occasions at my last employers I was told solemnly by people I had trained (CIEH Level 1) that they had never had any H&S training & hadn't got any certificates!
Managers often worry about their H&S duties, so courses like Managing Safely and CIEH Risk Assessors and Advanced seem to stick a bit, but I'm not a believer in foundation courses; people need to know how to do their jobs safely, and there are better ways of achieving that,
John
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Posted By Caroline Holden
I thought it maybe useful to update you on how we have redeveloped the packaged Working Safely course.
We undertook extensive qualitative and quantitative market research last year with our 1000 + course provider network.
The views from this research informed us how in very specific terms we needed to re-invigorate this course.
A dedicated project team was convened consisting of external and internal experts these include the following:
1. National Training Award winner - who is an expert in training best practice and the psychology of how people learn most effectively
2. Macromedia Flash animator - who has taken technical facts and transformed them into learner-friendly, interactive graphics
3. Technical expertise - from a successful course provider combined with internal expertise from IOSH's Technical Affairs Department.
4. Training course development knowledge and experience to co-ordinate the development of the course
6. Publishing experts to ensure language suitability
6. Marketing expertise in developing customer friendly training courses and to quality control the course development process
Part of our training course development process, in addition to ensuring initial in-depth market research is undertaken to identify the needs of the trainer and the course delegate, also involves piloting the course as it progresses through its evolution.
A number of pilots were undertaken with a random representative sample of IOSH course providers in addition to the course also being delivered to course delegates - again on a number of occasions. All feedback provided negative and positive was then incorporated into the development of the course.
The sample of the course that you have viewed on the 'enjoylearning' microsite - is just that - a sample of the presentation.
In order to fully appreciate the new Working Safely course it is important to view it in totality. The course consists of:
1. Presentation in the form of animated slides
2. Tutor notes
3. Delegate workbook
4. Board game
5. Bank of assessments
If you are interested in taking a closer look at the new course can I suggest that you consider booking onto one of our Course Provider forum dates as this will include a thorough demonstration of the new course combined with a workshop on the latest training techniques.
With regards to the question about whether or not courses such as this make any difference to workplace safety - in terms of research into how to create a safe and healthy work culture - after Senior Management Team buy-in - training employees has been found to be the second most important factor for success.
Caroline Holden
IOSH Director of Commercial Affairs
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Posted By Lilian McCartney
Haven't looked at material mentioned yet but with regard to colours and flash - I remember reading somewhere (I never remember where) that for on-screen courses a dark background and light foreground is the best and for presentations on large screens a light background and dark foreground is the best. Both should have reds and greens limited use.
Flash presentations for on-screening learning does hold the trainees interest longer. For tutor led courses I would expect the tutor to hold the delegates attention so wouldn't put too much flash into this.
As somoene who can hardly see the end of their nose it is a bit annoying when you can't read screen writing e.g. tv names of speakers they use light on light.
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Posted By Ken Taylor
You get the same problem in the SHP magazine.
I suspect that light on slightly darker is often a device to deter copying.
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Posted By Tony Cheesman
I was disappointed to find the new Working Safely course being unfairly judged on the basis of seeing a couple of sample slides.
We have been running the current Working Safely and Managing Safely courses (amongst other IOSH courses) both at our centre and in-company for many years and were well aware of their limitations. In particular many delegates find the presentation style poor, slides difficult to follow, limited in content and often wrong (not to mention patronising!)
Many centres have developed their own versions of these courses to overcome these points.
I was therefore pleased to be asked by IOSH to participate in the research last year and similarly pleased to be asked to take part in a pilot of some of the modules in early July.
The other trainers and I were in agreement that they were a major step forward compared to the old versions. They followed the philosophy of getting over the concept of understanding and managing risk but at a level that would hold the attention and interest of the course delegates.
Gone was the list of hazards to laboriously plough through (whether relevant or not), gone was any mention of learning legislation and in place was a light hearted approach with a serious message.
The pilots were not without fault but IOSH were keen to draw upon our experience and we each had an opportunity to try out the modules in a training room environment. The first colours were rather washed out and these now are much clearer, we will have to see how they come out in a poor training room or brightly lit portakabin!
The course allows the trainer to use his experience much more, they do not constrain him to the slides and they are MUCH more interactive for the delegate.
It is true to say they do use some of the more advanced features of PowerPoint but they are not ‘too flashy’ or distracting. In fact they are more like an animated cartoon but under the control of the trainer.
It is also true to say that modern projection methods will gain the most from the new course but it can still be printed out and used on overhead projectors if that is all that is available.
It is very difficult to get a feel for the whole of the course from these few slides but I look forward to seeing the full final version and would urge anyone to try and get to see it at the forthcoming course provider’s forums, a knee-jerk reaction to a first sighting does not add measurably to the discussion at this time.
Tony
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Posted By John B Collins
Some interesting points raised by the previous contributers. These were all discussed at the meeting in early July at the Grange between the IOSH team, who put the course together and a few course providers.
They were at pains to take into account all of the views that were expressed in the market research exercise carried out earlier.
I'm not quite sure how anyone can be disappointed from viewing a very small number of slides without seeing the whole module and the notes backing it up. The opportunity to make any meaningful comment will come at the roadshows.
This is a one day course (don't understand the 1/2 day or 2 day reference) which is very professionallly presented on screen. It allows the trainer to interact with the delegates using images which will be understood by "non-safety" people. It also does away with the out of date hazard scenarios and allows the presenter to add and/or adapt it to suit the audience or industry. (It even allows the slides to be copied so that overhead presentations can be made)
The new projectors should have no problem in producing an easily read presentation, but I'm sure there will be a hut somewhere on a construction site which will disprove this.
The syndicate exercises appear to be much more user friendly. Their time can be easily controlled to ensure the course runs to schedule.
The tutor notes are very well produced and give the presenter plenty of scope to direct the delegates through the key points being made.
I, like the rest of those attending the initial showing of the first two modules, were very pleased to see that IOSH is at last getting away from the rather staid, old fashioned approach of stuffing legislation down the throats of delegates by getting a sharper message across.
I'm sure that this training package is much better than the previous one. I hope the criticism holds off till some meaningful assesment can be made at the Course Provider forums, then people, if you are still not happy, we can all let rip.
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Posted By stuart cross
Hi folks
interesting comments from you all, so thanks for that.
Interesting that the pro lobby say I shouldn't judge the course fro the few slides offered... if this is so why are they offered cos if the logic is followed they are not there to sell me the course and they are not representative then they have no point.
Maybe we need a more representative selection of slides. If I am able I wil still be changing the text colour.
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Posted By Steve Pye
I am amazed at some of the negative comments. Surely what IOSH are doing is what we trainers have wanted for a long time! To get away from the boring norm of H&S powerpoint of 120 slides for a day and watching the students fall asleep!? Lets give them a pat on the back for having the courage to at least try something new, OK their may be a few that will not be gratefull for this change but we cannot please everyone all the time. If any one has been on a first aid course with the St John Amb recently will have noticed a vast change in the training its now fun to learn and the lifesaving skills are still there so why not IOSH try it too!
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