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#1 Posted : 24 August 2005 11:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff Watt Colleagues I am applying for a safety role in my local council, I have currently been in the private sector for 7 years now. Basically folks not being up to date with public sector operations I don't want to go to interview and make an obvious gaff. I would appreciate recommendations on any general publications/guides out there that would be useful in familiarising me with the issues faced by councils , especially in rural areas e.g. leisure facilities, outdoor event management etc Also any other advice of a general nature would be greatly appreciated e.g. does crown immunity exist for any council /local authority buildings. Kind regards Jeff
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#2 Posted : 24 August 2005 12:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte Having recently gone for a interview at a local council you may want to brush up on the following: Managing crowds safely - guide for organisers at events and venues HSG 154 Event safety guide - guide to health, safety and welfare at music and similar events HSG 195 Tackling work-related stress HSG 218 HSE leaflet Violence at work INDG69 www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg73.pdf - lone working I also had to do a quick scenario and a workgroup based project (which you have to try to take the lead role in)
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#3 Posted : 24 August 2005 12:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff Watt Cheers Descarte thanks for the prompt response.
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#4 Posted : 24 August 2005 12:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dazmo Hi Jeff, Do you know what department of the council you would be working in, for example housing or social services?
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#5 Posted : 24 August 2005 13:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff Watt Daz It would be an advisorary role for the whole business but in my part of the world that covers leisure centres, waste collection services, tourism centres but not housing or schools or health.
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#6 Posted : 24 August 2005 14:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dazmo Hi Jeff, I think the following may be worth taking a look at: 1. Violence at work - affetcs all areas of business - http://www.hse.gov.uk/violence/ 2. Waste issues - i.e. manual handling and slips and trips - accident rates in this sector are over 4 times the national average. The HSE has recently been targeting local authorites with respect to this. We had a visit not so long ago. See http://www.hse.gov.uk/waste/ 3. Lone working INDG73 for example... Also, not sure how relevant this will be to a rural area but you might want to think about diversity issues and how this affects getting the safety message across. Further to this many local authorities/councils are very heavily unionised. I guess experience in dealing with unions would earn some points! Hope this is of help. Kind regards...
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#7 Posted : 24 August 2005 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff Watt Daz excellent help thanks. Thanks to everyone else who replied directly by email. I was a trade union seconded officer ( union gave me my orders but was based at and paid by the employer) before getting into full time safety. I am always scared that PS employers see you as a troublemaker rather than a troubleshooter when you have a TU background. I will have to be subtle (no hope then). Anyone got advice on the differences between Public Liability injury claims as opposed to employers liability claims? This seems to be highlited on the job spec. Jeff
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#8 Posted : 24 August 2005 17:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dazmo Hi Jeff, Me again I'm afraid, Councils deal with mainly two types: 1. Maitenance and infrastructure, i.e not mainting pavement suitably and someone trips over - not a lot H+S can do about that! 2. Injury caused by negligence of your employee, for example injuring member of the public whilst involved in work activity. For example member of public is struck by reversing waste collection truck because there was no banksman. H+S issue. Given that you mentioned leisure centers I would hazard a guess that
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#9 Posted : 24 August 2005 17:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dazmo Hi Jeff, Sorry about previous posting, accidentally posted only half the message! Public liability designed to cover costs of potential claim by member of the public for injury or damage to property caused by your organisation. Two main issues with respect to members of the public injuring themselves... 1. Maintenance and infrastructure, i.e not maintaining public highway and someone trips over - not a lot H+S can do about that! 2. Injury or damage caused by negligence of your employee/management - definitely H+S issue. For example member of public has their vehicle struck by reversing waste collection truck because there was no banksman and driver chatting on mobile. Or individual slips over and injures themselves in leisure centre because floor slippery through poor housekeeping Both could potentially result in claim from member of public against your organisation, the financial cost or which would be covered by your insurance policy. It may help to look at occupiers liability act. Good luck!
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#10 Posted : 25 August 2005 08:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff Watt Dazmo Thanks for the great examples you just used, very clear. I was thinking about swimming pools and slips on the way home last night, what a nightmare to manage. Cheers Jeff
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#11 Posted : 25 August 2005 09:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric Burt Jeff Good luck with the new job! Some of the issues which I am currently dealing with are: Asbestos Legionella ( are you up to speed with the Barrow-in-Furness case) Stress management (have a chat with EMAS about their audits of local authorities) Slips trips and falls - check out the HSE slips assessment tool on the HSE website Smoking, especially with the current consultation on the smoke-free elements of the Health Improvement and Protection Bill Minibus driver licensing after the changes brought in on 1st January 1997. VOSA, the Vehicle Operator Services Agency has a good guide "Passenger Transport provided by voluntary groups under the Section 19 or 22 permit system" (available on the VOSA web-site). Work at Height especially issues of lone working / rescue in the vent of an emergency Manual handling especially with respect to people / children and more recently - kerbs Mobile phone masts (see the up-date on the original Stewart report - available from the Health Protection Agency web-site) .......... and contact Steve Sumner at the Employers Organisation. Steve is the Health and Safety Officer and is an excellent source of help and information for H&S Practitioners in local authorities. If you e-mail me directly at eric.burt@cheshire.gov.uk I'll send you the link to the mailing list for their h&s information. Ask Diane Ravenscroft to put you on the mailing list. I think that's about it but if you need any further help just let me know. Regards, Eric
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#12 Posted : 25 August 2005 09:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff Watt Eric Excellent advice and great pointers for information. Haven't got the job yet just applying at this stage. Thanks for your support. Jeff
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#13 Posted : 25 August 2005 09:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By MichaelM Jeff There is also a lot of PPP in buidling e.g. new schools. CDM etc will therefore come into play. Everything else is pretty much covered. I moved from the private sector to local authority H&S just over five months ago and there is a big drive with the HSE on Backs (i.e. manual handling, stress, systems to help employees back to work,lone working, accident reporting (and near miss) and also violence reporting systems and procedures. Hope this is of use. Michael
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#14 Posted : 25 August 2005 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff Watt Michael Nice one regards the Back info. Can I just say to everyone that the response to my post for help is fantastic but not surprising, I have always found the EHS community to be very supportive, ready to help others and gain insight to best practice. Thanks again folks for making the effort. Jeff
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