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Posted By Eric PD
My MD is from yorkshire and is consequently tight. I have instructed him that he has a duty to ensure staff have glasses for VDU work if needed. He is now quipling about how much ( ie minimum) he has to pay. He is willing to offer the cost of a NHS pair ( 40 quid) towards the cost of specs. Would this be a reasonable amount do you guys think?
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Posted By Lynne Ratcliffe
My boss is not from Yorkshire - same result though!
We offer £39 towards the cost of spectacles (the cost of basics from Specsavers!) plus the legal obligation to pay for vision test.
Therefore is the assumption that yous boss offering £40 is being generous?
Regards L
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Posted By Eric PD
Yes he is ! I shall not tell him the bad news and watch him squirm when writes the cheque out.
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Posted By Philip Roberts
Eric,
It is my understanding, but I stand to be corrected, that your boss could be even tighter. He is only required to pay the difference between ordinary glasses, if these are required for reading, and the cost of glasses suitable for VDU work if the optitian deems VDU glasses are necessary and this can be, in my experience, as little as £17
best regards
Phil
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Posted By Eric PD
sacre bleu !! I'll get a £2 per year pay rise when i tell him that bit of good news!!
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Posted By Karen Todd
You must not have looked at the back of your SHP magazine - Eye Examination + VDU glasses for £17 from Specsavers:
http://www.specsavers.co.uk/corporate
I sent off for the information pack after seeing the ad - v. impressed.
Karen
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Posted By Eric PD
your right kaz i havent.
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Posted By Mark Talbot
Re Specsave ... that might be a very good offer, or it might be based on a factory-full of people being screened and the 10% or so who need glasses getting them.
I would be interested to know details of the offer.
Strange the lack of complaints from Yorkshire so far ... maybe they are waiting for the off-peak rates on the www?
Sorry, to answer your question, £40 is more than reasonable if that is all the 'appliances' cost (see note 61 of the ACOP)
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Hi Eric and everybody else!
We visited this topic in some depth about 4 weeks ago and also within the last few days!!
At the most simple, setting a fixed maximum simply isn't defensible - if in doubt, read HSWA Sect 9 extremely thoroughly.
To put it another way for those who still don't actually know what the above means - the employer must pay for the basic requirement as deemed necessary by a competent opthalmic specialist [preferably working to the the Royal College of Opthalmic Surgeons Guidance] that is necessary for working at DSE.
The employer does not have to pay for eye correction that is already being prescribed and which can also meet the need for DSE use.
The employee can be required to pay for any extra's that are not considered essential by the competent person - eg, the Dame Edna Everage Gladioli & Glitter-bugs would be down to the employee.
All of the above only applies once the employer has determined that the persons concerned may be considered as "Users" for DSE; and be warned, the Guidance that accompanies the DSE Regs has not always been accepted by the Courts as it is "too simplistic". RA's are essential to clearly determine whether someone really isn't a "User".
Have fun Frank Hallett
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Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke
Hi
I developed a "DSE user" assessment form. Anyone scoring over 14 was classed as a user and was issued with the specsaver voucher worth £35 (I think) which got the eye test and basic specs.
A bonus was that specsavers also issues free money off vouchers for everyone in the company, which makes the nominated H&S person a good guy (or girl) for a day or so!!!
Linda.
SHE Knows.
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Posted By Carrie Ellerby
Mark,
shocked at the lack of response from us Yorkshire folk? Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that Eric is hitting the nail on the head.
I am Yorkshire, our MD is Yorkshire and our factory is in Yorkshire and "why the h*ll should I have to supply somebody's glasses for them?!"
Just kidding, but I am of the understanding that Eric's boss is right in providing the cost of the DSE required test and glasses only.
Ooooooo arrrrrrrrr!
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Posted By garyh
Eric. Put me right here. Are you saying that all people from Yorkshire are neccessarily tight? You have of course got data to back this up..................
Thing is, the point I am making is that........if you make daft or unsupported asserstions in a communication, people focus on this and miss the point of your document / report etc........by the way what WAS your point?
Oh yeah. Check out the HSE free docs on their website, explains all the DSE / eyetest/ specs stuff. Show this to the boss.
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Posted By J Knight
I'm from Yorkshire and I'm not tight, butr everybody else around here is so I don't give anything away 'cos nobody gives me owt ;)
See the back of SHP this month? Specsavers vouchers for only £17? Cheap enough even for tykes,
John
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney
Frank
The MD has seen your comments and has made me pay back the advance he gave me for my diamond studded 'Dame Edna's. I mean after all as a senior Director I do get taken much more seriously with these particular specs on.
Now then where on earth did I leave my stilettos???
Charles/Charlotte
PS: We are having a 'wrong gender day' so stop laughing!!! TGI Friday
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Posted By Paul Adams
The sum mentioned will more than pay for the required item that is fit for purpose. If the employee wants Gucci, they pay the difference.
I also object to Yorkshire folk being referred to as tight. I frequently spend money on myself. Sometimes I even spend it on the wife and kids, but only after very careful consideration. I am also happy to spend as much money as I can squeeze out of my boss on H&S initiatives that benefit all our employees.
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Afternoon Charley.
I suspect you meant "confused gender" rather than "wrong"!
Besides neither fashion sense nor sexual orientation/preference should be an issue at senior director level!
The basic issue is that it is simply not acceptable to set a blanket financial cap on eye correction and that it has to be based upon the actual cost of the necessary [as defined by the competent person] devices.
Have a nice weekend Y'awl; I'm off to the barby [and I don't mean dolls - OK].
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
Unless this discrimination aginst the Yorkshire Organisation of Reet Kep It Entir'ly Shuut (wallets) or YORKIES (Wallets) is stopped immediately, we have instructions from our clients, the aforesaid YORKIES (Wallets) to sue.
Grumble, Mumble and Maythorpe Ltd, acting for the YORKIES (Wallets).
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