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#1 Posted : 08 September 2005 11:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By paul debney what health and safety certification can a company aquire to prove some sort of competence? i have a company that says iso 14001 and 9001 do this?
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#2 Posted : 08 September 2005 11:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neil Koskie OHSAS 18001 is the health and safety standard. Although it is not internationally recognised, it is a good, fully auditable management system. 9000 is the quality management standard and 14000 is the environmental standard. Hope this helps. NK
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#3 Posted : 08 September 2005 11:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By paul debney i have a client that i may lose due to the fact that he wants a certificate proving health and safety competence. oh well, another small consultant bites the dust?
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#4 Posted : 08 September 2005 11:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Hi Paul. Are you considering demonstrations of corporate or individual competence? If corporate competence, you must remember that except for standards such as 18001 [which is specifically H&S] the standards really only determine the efficiency of the management system as a whole. There should also be clear requirements for individual competence at key management levels and posts that are built into the job specification AND demonstrated as achived by the post-holders. Frank Hallett
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#5 Posted : 08 September 2005 11:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis If it is for a consultant then your IOSH membership certificate might be a good start along with any relevant references you may have. It is a joy you have to learn in dealing with people, many of whom are told by leading publications that certain things are required in a particular format. Bob
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#6 Posted : 08 September 2005 12:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Paul, There are at least two Audit schemes whi provide for a 'certificate of competence' if you like, though I am sure that both organisations would be very quick to say that they are not to be seen in quite those terms. One is the British Safety Council's 5 Star Audit, which they supply as a full service, and I don't know how much it costs. The other is RoSPA's QSA Audit, which is based initially on HSG65 and incorporates OHSAS18000. the beauty of the RoSPA scheme is that you can train to carry it out, though this is expensive (over 2K I think), and it does allow for award ranging from Level 5 to Level 1, John
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#7 Posted : 08 September 2005 16:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Darvill In some ways they are right - 9001 and 14001 do in some ways address H&S. One of the clause of 9001 is about resource management, if your auditor and quality manager are canny enough, it is possible to use this clause of the standard to address H&S issues. At an external 9001 audit last year we were given a non-conformity for a H&S issue against this clause. However, I would want to check their system to make sure that it is being addressed using the QMS & EMS and that a smart QM or EM isn't just using their certified system as a "Just tell them we are 9001 certified, it'll keep them happy" answer.
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