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Posted By Peter Longworth
Quite often on this site requests are made for information or presentations on various subjects. These are then invariably followed by several posts of the "I've e-mailed you direct" variety. Could I suggest that a forum be set up where this sort of information could be posted for everybody to access so as to prevent the numerous "Could I have a copy too please " posts that inevitably follow. Surely this would be easier and less time consuming all round.
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Posted By Martin R. Bessant
Peter,
If the originator's name below the heading is blue in colour then they can be contacted directly via e-mail. It is not acceptable practice to place requests for copies as a response to a thread, but for the individual to contact the originator directly and request a copy. Threads which breach this convention are likely to be locked and no further responses allowed.
There is therefore no need for IOSH to provide a new website forum for the purpose of responses for copies.
I hope this clarifies the position.
Martin Bessant - Lead Moderator.
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Posted By Paul Oliver
But some originators do not have their names in Blue, therfore the only way to request copies of info is to post a reply to that particular thread!
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Posted By Jeff Manion
I place information on this page and state if you mail me direct am willing to provide and information - I do not therefore palce the organisation name and therefore not critisized for providing wjat could be commerical information and providing some form of commercial advantage.
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
If there was a forum which posted documents or presentations as has been suggested, there may be a significant problem in relation to the ownership and copyright the posted material.
Who owns the copyright? In most cases this would be the employer and not the employee who has posted the material. Any cautious organisation controlling such a web-site would surely need to seek the consent of each organisation when their documents are posted?
Additionally there is also a liability issue relating to the contents of each of these documents, who would be responsible for this, the author, and the organisation which employs the organisation or the web-site owner?
When it comes to litigation, I suspect the web-site owner who could be the soft target.
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney
Arran makes the most decisive comment; as far as IOSH is concerned it would be a minefield for them to approve copyright and protected documents.
It is also possible that in an anxious endeavour to please, a respondent may not even be aware of copyright and thus opens the can of worms saga.
Peter does make a great point though, alas, something’s are not possible and I agree with IOSH on this one, we will all help out with documents where possible and within the scope of our knowledge, I myself have done this on many occasions, I have subsequently seen my created document completely bas***ised and worth nothing in an attempt to change it forever. Ah well that's my penny's worth anyway.
Charles
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Posted By Martin Devlin
Surely it should be possible to be able to attach powerpoints or documents to your thread on this site. If it has been devised by the sender, then there should not be a copy right issue. If it has been copied from somewhere else then that is the senders responsibility. I do not think people would put something into the public domain where this is an issue. Other sites do this such as unionreps.org.uk. without any hassle and it is very useful. It would mean that the attachment could be opened and if useful can be saved to file. This would certainly save all the 'please can I have a copy' requests.
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
Can I clarify my (private) thoughts on this matter?
1. If you have been paid (as an employee) to produce documents or data, the copyright for this material belongs to your employer.
2. Arguably you have a duty to protect your employer’s property; after all they would not expect you to give away their computers or company cars etc.
3. If these documents are placed on a public web-site, has the employer specifically authorised this and is the employer even aware that this has been undertaken?
4. Who is liable for the content and accuracy of these documents?
I suspect that if a professional document exchange scheme was to be properly established, each document published would have to be authorised its author’s employer and it would have to be vetted by a panel before it is submitted for publication on the web-site and that may take many weeks before the process could be completed.
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