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Posted By Sukhy Hallan
I'm trying to find guidance on where there is a likelihood of unexploded bombs. Does anybody have an idea of any guidance or procedures?
Cheers
Sukhy Hallan
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Posted By david cairns
it depends on what part of the world/ contry you are in?? the home office in London can help, they have details of areas in the greater London area.
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Posted By Peter Taylor14
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Posted By Sukhy Hallan
Sorry - to clarify, I mean within the UK...
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Posted By steve e ashton
Sukhy, you may find some useful info in responses to my thread dated 31 March 2004.
Otherwise, contact me direct
Steve
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Posted By John Murgatroyd http://www.contaminatedl...td-uxb.htm#KEYWORD-THREEAnd don't forget the risk assessment ! For unexploded terrorist bombs (16 in a car at Luton), I'm afraid you'll have to contact the Al-Quaeda information centre....somewhere in either Afghanistan or Pakistan and don't forget to ask them for their method statement.
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Posted By Dave Adams MIOSH
Had similar issue when previous employer was going through IPPC application (site was close to old WW1 munitions factory). British Aerospace nows emcompasses this type of investigation on behalf of government.
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Posted By Dennis Bray
A good reference is the Home Office Publication "Bombs Protecting People and Property"
The publication is published by the Home Office Public Relations Branch and whilst it is now a bit dated it still gives some good sound advice which we use when responding to "suspect" packages.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Sukhy
If you are looking at the UK picture and are intending excavation works the local authorities of many of the heavily bombed areas maintain records of potential risk areas and these are zoned depending on the density opf the bombings suffered. I would really not go into this area as the major ground survey companies can do the work for you in a far more detailed manner, and can recommend action plans for exccavation and any finds made.
If you are talking in todays context then the fire brigade maxim of standing 440yds off the potential scene is the best I know of. There is only one response - if it is a suspect UXB then remove ALL non essential personnel, which means everybody except the Bomb disposal experts.
Bob
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Posted By Robin Weaver Sukhy The following link allows you to download FREE regional maps which show areas of increased risk: http://www.zetica.com/uxb_downloads.htmHope this helps The Twisted Firestopper
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Posted By Derek Holt
Being in Bob's last category of personnel to remain in the area of a possible Improvised Explosive Device (IED) or Unexploded Ordnance (UXO), to use the correct terminology, may I firstly enquire as to the nature of your request. Do I assume that you are talking about UXO and have concerns over excavation in a particular area? If so then let me know the area of concern and I may be able to assist you further.
If you have serious concerns, then I would recommend firstly to have a UXO 'desktop' threat analysis undertaken. If this reveals any significant risk of UXO then the area may need to be surveyed for UXO. The responsibility for this will be dependent upon the previous/current owners of the land. i.e if MOD then they would have the responsibility to clear it.
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Posted By Lynne Ratcliffe
When found do not use the unexploded grenade as a paperweight because 'it looked interesting'!!!!!
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Posted By Derek Holt
Lynne,
I trust you are making a serious point. I have seen this scenario to many times in my career, people collecting 'interesting items' and displaying them at their homes whithout knowing the consequences. Everything from grenades as paperweights/ornaments, to projectiles as door stops and bombs as ornamental garden objects. I have also seen the consequences of these actions. UXO is a serious matter and should not be taken light heartidly by anybody.
BE UXO AWARE - BE SAFE
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Posted By Lynne Ratcliffe
Derek,
Of course, it is a serious point!
Never use a grenade, shell, bullet or any other device as paperweight or doorstop because it looked interesting ALWAYS call your local constabulary who then call the Bomb Squad (RE or RLC).
These things can turn up in the most unusual places - under my parents shed as the previous owner was a WW1 soldier who brough back souveniers for his disabled brother!
In the middle of fields and construction sites - outside any city where they were dumped if planes were hit on route to jetison weight for trip home.
Not all (in fact very few) locations for ex WW2 UXB are known by local authorities. The obvious ordnance dumps, old military establishments and major centres of industry have a vague idea the rest of the UK are just 'randoms' and old war ordnance can be found as single items or clusters.
If something is discovered, stop work, clear area, call police and let them take control (they will call the Professionals in from the Army, Navy or AiR Force EOD dependant upon what and where is found) and DO NOT USE AS PAPERWEIGHT OR DOORSTOP.
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Posted By joe black
One of the main issues is getting staff to adhere to the rules. When the Soho nail bomber did his worst, a retail manager broke all the rules, and having been alerted to the supicious unnattended bag, went to look in it instead of evacuating the premises by a rear door. It went off. The BD/ Police would far rather attend a false alarm than dig out bodies. Never take risks with potential UXB's.
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