Posted By Julie Stone Do any others have to get construction workers through the CSCS maze? We have situation where we pay for our subbies to get trained (we can claim some money back on certain courses) if they leave soon after training can we charge them for the cost of training? I would be greatful to hear from others who manage CITB stuff

Posted By Frank Hallett Hi Julie As the subbies are not direct employees of your undertaking, you can impose any contractual terms that you wish with regard to re-payment, retention of CSCS cards and any other matter relating to the provision and accreditation of training for your companies' benefit to 3rd parties [the subbies]. I'm not entirely clear as the taxable benfit position of the subbies if you provide the training etc without retaining overall control, but I suspect that it could be considerable from recent personal discussions in regard to self-employed and training. Frank Hallett

Posted By KB How about a radical solution. Do we not have to ensure that when we employ a person / company that they are competent to carry out their tasks? e.g. instruction,training, knoweldge. What better way to ensure this than contractually ensure that personnel either individuals or employees of a company have a current CSCS, CISRS, CPCS card. Although there are still a few exemptions the majority of trades are covered by the CITB. If there is a cost issue why not try and liaise with local authorities. In a lot o the cities there is a government initiative and lots of funding available for this type os training. This is in addition to costs that can be refunded by the CITB.