Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Admin  
#1 Posted : 21 September 2005 15:41:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney Would some kind person please either explain procedures with respect to specific RA for pregnancy in the RAF, or not as the case may be. My Daughter is in the RAF and has fallen pregnant and has been told that she must prepare a RA herself and that it is not anyone else’s responsibility! I am of course experienced in 'civvy' street but my knowledge is limited for the Armed Forces, some solid advice from an experienced forces person would be appreciated so that I may advise my Daughter appropriately. In particular does HASAWA and the Management regs apply to the forces? Many thanks Charles
Admin  
#2 Posted : 21 September 2005 16:11:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Neville The armed forces lost their Crown Exemption some years ago now Charley and the fact that your daughter has become pregnant, does not in any way absolve her employer, the RAF, from their health and safety responsibilies towards their employees - as much as they would like to think so! The RAF, like all other organisations, has a duty of care to your daughter in so much as they must safeguard her and her unborn child. It is not her responsibility to write her own risk assessment, but that of her line manager or appointed person. There are specific exclusions from H&S Law for the armed forces, ie Operational circumstances, but pregnancy is not included within those exclusions. A full and proper RA must be completed, within the criteria of the work she is expected to undertake, and she must have the situation reviewed also. If she currently works on night shift, then they must place her onto a day shift, to safeguard her proper sleep and diet etc. Either way, she must be interviewed and told of the findings of the RA. I myself served in the RAF and remember fulfilling the role of the employer by writing such a risk assessment for one of the squadron's personnel. She worked on a shift pattern, including night shifts, and did not take kindly to her employer safeguarding her interests by placing her on days shift only. If I were you, it may be worth dropping a line to her employer/commanding officer, reminding them of their responsibilities. Hope this helps with your plight and that of your daughter Regards, Neville
Admin  
#3 Posted : 21 September 2005 16:14:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Tony O'Keefe Charley, There are more and more members of the armed forces becomming interested in H&S if there is a someone in her unit that is involved in H&S I would ask them someone invoved in training may be able to point her in the right direction, though I think the best person to see would be her unit (Medical Officer). Tony O'Keefe
Admin  
#4 Posted : 21 September 2005 16:33:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Peter J Harvey Charles, From experience this is not the way the RAF work. I would suggest that you daughter, first of all talks this through with her boss (SNCO/Flight Commander etc). If however she has a problem understanding how her chain of command is required to react in this situation, she should refer this to the Unit Health and Safety Officer, or Station Health and Safety Advisor, depending where she is stationed. Thinking back, details should be set out in Station Standing Orders. From my own time in the RAF, we used a simple question and answer format, which a Flight Commander/Sqd Leader would complete with the employee. Based on the information give, this may be referred further, however would be reviewed throughout the pregnancy. Hope this helps.
Admin  
#5 Posted : 21 September 2005 17:47:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Dave Wilson The crown are exempt from prosecution but not the act, however if you read between the lines if you cannot prosecute and the only avenue is a crown IN or PN which is not enforceable then why! Because serving personell can now sue for damages where before I think it was called Sect 10 AFCP Act they couldnt. So if you do not follow the law then you (MOD) leave yourself open to civil liability, I think!
Admin  
#6 Posted : 21 September 2005 22:54:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Clive Cox Charles, After spending 30 years in the RAF and carrying out 100's of risk assessments I can assure you that is not your daughters responsibility to carry out her own assessment for pregnancy; the duty firmly falls on the employer, it is however quite likely that your daughter may be asked to participate in providing some information for the assessment. If she is experiencing problems within the Section or Squadron that she works she should seek advise from the Station Health and Safety Officer, who in most cases is a civilian. Wish her luck Chief Technician Retired
Admin  
#7 Posted : 22 September 2005 09:10:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney I am so grateful to you all for your prompt and professional approach to my question on behalf of my 'little girl' it has given me much information to pursue further. As with 'civvy' street one always wishes to get definitive and accurate information on any given subject within H&S and indeed other subjects when giving advice, I am delighted at the kind words expressed here and again, I thank you all very much indeed. A Humbled Charles
Admin  
#8 Posted : 22 September 2005 10:48:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By John Redfern Charley, The MOD H&S Policy is available on the web and Volume 1 clearly states the requirement for line managers to undertake a risk assessment for new mand expectant mothers. I can forward the specific document directly if required. Redders
Admin  
#9 Posted : 22 September 2005 11:29:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Jim Walker Charley, I like your expression "fallen pregnant". Was this from height or on same level?
Admin  
#10 Posted : 22 September 2005 13:04:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney Oh dear, as this was a passionate request as opposed to the usual business manner, I suppose an emotive statement such as 'fallen' does conjure up a picture, last I heard was when little one received the news she fainted! I suppose therefore one must assume that as she fell, she realised she was with child, hey, it's the best one I can come up with at short notice, dear oh dear so much to do today and here I am being frivolous, I should know better, still, one does have channels to fellow elf an safety personage. Take care Charles
Admin  
#11 Posted : 22 September 2005 13:10:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Clairey O Hi Charlie Whilst I am unable to comment on your situation. Congratualtions to your family. Thanks for the kind words that you have previously offered me.
Admin  
#12 Posted : 22 September 2005 13:27:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By steve 891 Charley Take a look at JSP 375 (Mod H&S manual)was available last time i looked via a search engine
Admin  
#13 Posted : 22 September 2005 14:05:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Clive Lowery Charley, As others have previously stated, HASAWA 74 does apply along with any other H & S Regulations. Unfortuntely some of the dinosaurs still think they are exempt (Rescinded circa 1977). Check out the attached link from the MOD website. An extract from their H & S Manual. If you have any problems opening it let me know and I will e-mail you a copy. http://www.mod.uk/linked...375/volume_2/leaf_36.pdf Good luck Clive
Admin  
#14 Posted : 22 September 2005 14:11:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney Smashing Clive, my gratitude and to everyone else who has kindly offered assistance! Still humbled Charles
Admin  
#15 Posted : 22 September 2005 14:18:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Jonathan Carrick Charley, Can't help with the question . . . but congratulations!!! J
Admin  
#16 Posted : 22 September 2005 14:27:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney Thank you for that; it just gives me one of those warm tingly feelings when someone you don't know says something nice like this. Slightly blushing Charles PS: This was a rotten day all told until I came on this site!
Users browsing this topic
Guest
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.