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#1 Posted : 27 September 2005 08:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter 1915 Channel 5 tonight: an MP asks if health and safety has gone too far - don't miss it. Paul
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#2 Posted : 27 September 2005 09:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis I won't if the roadworkers in Huddersfield can get themselves organised tonight not to gridlock the traffic
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#3 Posted : 27 September 2005 13:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gareth Bryan If the thread on mercury thermometers is to be believed then the answer is YES
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#4 Posted : 27 September 2005 16:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lorraine Shuker Thanks for the tip ~ should be interesting
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#5 Posted : 27 September 2005 18:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Sorry, but I'm in an hotel in Caen, Normandie. Can anyone tell me what this is all about ? Merv
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#6 Posted : 27 September 2005 21:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jasonjg To be honest and controversial I am going to say I did not rate this programme one little bit. (2 out of ten, 1 point for build up and 1 point for the quick ending to load of rubbish better suited for the Sunday Sport). A one sided poorly exampled attempt to make himself more popular. To me, this programme did nothing strengthen the case for sensible risk management. In fact, it was no better than the tabloids it accuses of sensationalism. I might be on a different wavelength to some of you folks but I was left thinking I wanted to strangle this man by the end. Also note that in his great wisdom he avoids examples of the workplace (maybe because many of us workers are glad we do not have bosses like Captain Scott). Merv This programme shows a MP highlighting all the extreme stories that have emerged over time and then call on the opinions from two experts, a head teacher and a extreme adventurer. Overall picture put forward to me is as follows:- 1. We now cushion our children too much because one teacher cannot be expected to spend 15% of their time on H&S when planning school trips etc. That part infuriated my partner more than me as she felt the head teacher was being very negative to H&S in general. I would prefer to wait for someone’s opinion that has a connection with education before making a judgement as to whether 15% of someone’s time is worth spending per ammount of children. Forgot to mention that by supplying children with mobiles we make them thicker doh. 2. The programme shows lots of clips about famous British entrepreneurs and adventures making us proud to be British and then states that this will all die with H&S going the way it is. I had to laugh but almost cried at the same time as watching this part. In my opinion, this made the programme start to look stupid from there on. 3. It then goes on to have a doctor stating how men are wimps today because we want more health checks today than we did in the past (was there a woman script writer in here). 4. We are then shown the usual claim culture theory in which one risk expert spoke some sense (all 2 minutes worth out of the whole show). 5. Finally we are left to feel that Europe is out to get Britain by swamping it with legislation. His finishing note states that this must all end, but not one sniff or any suggestions as to how to put an end to it (typical MP). Sorry for my cynical view but that’s the way I feel about this poorly put together argument. Yes, risk aversion is becoming a problem but please give a god argument that shows two sides of the coin. Jason out (Abandoning his H&S career and becoming, a MP or Doctor who sells his patient lists to accident claim farms)
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#7 Posted : 28 September 2005 09:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Talbot Jason, you are quite close to my opinion too. I would go much further to say that this MP was worse than any tabloid I have ever read, because he should know better. At no point did he bother to discuss the matter with any professional H&S person. Nor did he explore who it was that impose stupid 'jobsworth' limitations that he quoted, and why they impose them (lack of training, imposed repsonsibility outside of their skill zones, lack of proper guidance from HSE/LA's, inept management, fear of inept magistrates' decisions, media misrepresentations, etc., etc.,). He kept refering to increasing legislation and regulation, rather than pointing ou that it is the increasing application in doubtful circumstances which is the 'problem'(much of the legislation having been in place for considerable time now). He suggested that having children die on school trips because teachers should be freed of half a day's proper planning is fine. The man from the nature reserve thinks that risks on a school trip to a reserve begins and ends with the walk along a wooden path - ignoring the travel there, the remoteness, and the travel home (he said that the worse that could happen was that a school child could fall into 18 inches of muddy water). Shame he didn't bother to spend a morning thinking about his appearance on the programme. We all recall the school children lost to a minibus accident on the motorway verge, and others lost to coaching accidents due to lack of seatbelts. Some toothless professor telling me that my life is worse because I prefer to take sensible precautions is annoying too - where do they get these people? As Jason said, the programme was centered on social activities and schools. What about those who died of lead poisoning, what about the asbestos factory in Armley, what about Zeebrugge ferries, what about the poor schoolkids in Lyme Bay who lost their lives because the instructor wouldn't even let them inflate their life jackets because she didn't think being overboard in the sea was an emergency? Don't get me started! It has been a long time since a profession has been so poorly misrepresented on British TV. Shame on you Channel 5 for wasting the electricity.
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#8 Posted : 28 September 2005 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lorraine Shuker Who was the MP?
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#9 Posted : 28 September 2005 15:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Oliver Yes, who was the MP, so we can all e-mail him/her and ask if our point of view can be made on prime time television through IOSH.
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#10 Posted : 28 September 2005 15:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze I'll not post any names as I don't want to get anyone into trouble, but here are the TV listings as published by the Times if you really want to know: http://entertainment.tim...0,,14934-1794226,00.html
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#11 Posted : 29 September 2005 10:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Talbot This forum regularly names Clarkson as a protagonist, I don't think that Mr Gove's name need be avoided. His homepage is http://www.michaelgove.com/index.php I will be dropping him a reasonable reply and an invitation to learn some facts.
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