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Posted By Graham Findlay
We operate refuse services in areas where wheelie
bins are impractical, yet the local insist that they
are the much safer alternative to sacks, and will
not budge an inch!
If anyone out there has experienced similar problems,
I would be grateful if you would share them with me.
Thanks
Graham Findlay
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Posted By David Hurst
Hi Graham
I work for a local Authority in Wales and have just been informed that the HSE are going to audit refuse operations throughout 10 Authorities within Wales - we are one of the lucky ones and will be contacted in the new year.
We too also operate a black sack policy at the minute due to the rural nature of the county, it will be interesting to see the findings of the audit.
If you are interested, once we've gone through the process, I'll let you know the findings and recommendations
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Posted By Neville
Its nearly always got to be better using the wheelie bins, as it saves on bad backs and puncture wounds etc. They do half (ish) size wheelie bins that may be the answer. Black sacks will always present problems. I take it that it is the nature of the houses and storage of the bins that is the problem.
PS. I work for a company that constructs the RCVs and particularly the electro/hydraulic wheelie bin lifters that fit on the rear.
SEMAT is the manufacturer of the equipment.
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Posted By Gareth Bryan
We have been inspected by the HSE as part of their programme. We operate a black sack system. Contrary to what Neville has said there are pluses and miniuses for both systems. Black sack is to a degree self limiting in the weight it can contain unlike bins. Clear see through coloured sacks mean that contents can be viewed before lifting unlike bins. There are manual handling issues in both systems both for the housholder and the collector. Some food for thought.
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Posted By Rick
The HSE started their investigations into the waste industry early 2005 and I had a HSE inpsectorate visit also when I worked within that sector of FM. Firstly they are looking into the industry as a whole and wish to learn from others experiences etc in an aim to reduce accidents and incidents, some of you may remember from their website the increased focus in early 2005.
I wouldn't over panic as they are out gaining information and not necessarily on a prosection/prohibition day out.
We had similar issues previously and found that in some areas due to run lenghts, stability factors of pavements, local authority budget involvement regarding necessary repairs etc, it was actually safer when you used plastic bags as the wheelie bins require a fairly level surface for ease of transport. Main incident incurred from handling aspects regarding weight/sharps etc also.
Another issue was with the types of vehicles used and the actual road width or access means for the wheelie bins. I won't go into the lack of lights in or outside bin room even on private estates.
Does that help?
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Posted By Neville
Further to Gareth's point, the issue over the bag system is that people tend to overfill them. The collector is normally the one who finds this out to his peril. Look at the amount that have split in the process of collection! Furthermore, why do you nearly always see a broom as part of the onboard equipment with RCVs?
Wheelie bins are most unlikely to break in the automated process of emptying. Refuse collectors tend to wear 'balistic trousers' to prevent sharps from damaging themselves, which must be the single worst fear of any collector,(even before tha manual handling).
The other consideration with bags is the varying centre of gravity, after lifting and whether two are lifted together or one at a time.
I wouldn't have thought that householders enter into this affray as the Law does not cover them from a H&S point of view. They put their own rubbish in thier own bin or bag.
More food for thought !!
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