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#1 Posted : 06 October 2005 09:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By JayneAnne Ridgway
I wonder if anybody can help me with the above. The company runs H & S meetings every 6 weeks. We have a rota for taking minutes however, the safety representatives refuse outright to take it in turn to take the minutes. Can they do this? - I was under the impression that everybody should take an active part in H & S meetings even when it comes down to taking the meetings minutes? Does anybody know if it states any minute taking in legislation?
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#2 Posted : 06 October 2005 09:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By David A Jones
The simple answer is that the regs etc do not make any mention of who should take the minutes.

It is probably worth noting that responsibility for organising these meetings rests with the employer and as such it seems logical that responsibility for the minutes rests with them.

In all my previous companies (and my current company) the person taking the minutes is always the same - this ensures consistancy etc and avoids the situation of people suddenly being unable to attend as it is their 'turn' as well as avoiding the 'press gang' approach
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#3 Posted : 06 October 2005 09:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw.
Hi, Not sure but perhaps you are getting a bit confused re minute taking and chairing the H&S meeting. As we are a large organisation we have a number of H&S forums. The chair of the meetings alternates between managers and employee reps but the minute taker remains the same for similar reasons to those stated in an other response.

hope this helps

cheers
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#4 Posted : 06 October 2005 10:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By JayneAnne Ridgway
Thank you for your responses so far,

The same person chairs the meeting, we are a large organisation, but have very little secretarial / typist resource, so basically everybody does there own typing / presentations etc. This is why it was suggested that perhaps a rota for minute taking could be introduced so that the same person does not get lumbered every 6 weeks. Approximately 18 people attend the meeting and so it was suggested that a rota for minute taking be implemented, but the Safety reps (there are 4 of them) are refusing to be included in this rota. The whole idea of H & S is that everybody is on board 100% and not when it suits - surely?
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#5 Posted : 06 October 2005 10:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Matthews
You do not mention the type of employment of your safety reps, I work within a manufacturing industry and the safety reps we have are not comfortable using computers, therefore we do not ask them to take minutes.
We generally have a junior member of staff from the office whom is not formally part of the committee taking minutes. They record what is said rather than their opinion of what is said... works for us.
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#6 Posted : 06 October 2005 10:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Mathews
When I was a TU convenor & safety rep. in an engineering factory, we also had very little secretarial support. The H&S Committee was chaired by the Director of Manufacturing and the minutes were taken by one of our TU reps. It was the same rep. who took the minutes every time to ensure consistency and it worked well for us. We also had peace of mind knowing that as we were in control of the minutes, nothing went unrecorded.
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#7 Posted : 06 October 2005 13:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ross Hunter
I would suggest that those H&S reps taking the minutes would find it difficult to fully participate in such meetings. Thus potentially reducing their opportunity to discuss their own agenda or positively (or negatively) contribute to others and if distracted by trying to do so could lead to the ommitance of important minuted information. Potentially a lose lose situation.

Ross
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#8 Posted : 06 October 2005 14:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Mathews
Ross

We had thought about the rep. taking the minutes not being able to fully participate in the meeting. To get round this “H&S issues” was a regular item on the weekly Shop Stewards meeting agenda. All issues were discussed in that forum and any that were deemed to be in need of consideration by the H&S Committee were taken there by the convenor and if any were relevant to minute takers area, the minute taker would then give his input. But bear in mind the minutes were not a record of everything that was said they were basically a record of the subject raised, actions required and actions completed. So it was not necessary for the minute taker to concentrate on writing all the time.

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#9 Posted : 06 October 2005 14:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter J Williams
We have clerical apprentices who, as part of their training, are given experience in the taking of minutes in all sorts of situations. These can be used as minute takers in H&S meetings.
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#10 Posted : 06 October 2005 21:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neville
Simple! . . Pick the one with short hands !!!

Generally speaking, you are much better off having someone taking the minutes who has no input to the meeting, thereby putting their mind on the job. As with other comments on here, normally down to an administrator, if there is one spare who can attend other meetings too, for the continuity.
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#11 Posted : 07 October 2005 09:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clive Cooper
A lot of what I have read confirms my belief that I, as H and S Coordinator, am not in the best place to take minutes. By contributing to the meeting and taking minutes, I then finish up trying to remember what was said and agreed after the meeting from my hurried scribble. Going back to the original point about rep. participation, 18 attendees with only 4 being reps., is that a good balance?
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#12 Posted : 07 October 2005 12:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Wilson2
I agree with Clive, on the balance however I suspect the balance of votes is equal? 10 ex-officio members? Still 18 attendee's is a lot, either the meetings drag on for hours or there are several people who dont need to be there at all.
As for the minute taker, Id never expect a key contributor to take mins, that would include all Union side reps, chair, Official side members with votes and any full time advisers (ex officio normally).
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