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#1 Posted : 11 October 2005 16:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philip Roberts Hi All, I am looking for help with a manual handling problem underneath a train. We have a 58kg exhaust system to manoeuvre into position over a drive shaft and axel. It has four clamps to fit and is extremely difficult to hold in position whilst the clamps are removed or refitted. It is impossible to get a lift table underneath and there is nowhere to fit pulleys for lifting. Does anyone out there know of a specialist company who may be able to design/supply specialist lifting equipment. Thanks for your attention best regards Phil Roberts
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#2 Posted : 12 October 2005 07:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pope One of my customers managed to drop a JCB excavator while bodging the job with the wrong jack. I think you are dealing with a specialist area, are there not contractors who service trains ? We have a local safety group member who is pretty busy so we don't see him often but he is a very helpful guy : He is responsible for 600 volunteers and about 50 full timers running the longest steam railway in the UK inlcuding setting up a new boiler makers apprenticeship scheme - they are into complete rebuilds in their own works. I'll mail you direct with what details I have.
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#3 Posted : 12 October 2005 08:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philip Roberts Chris, thanks for you input it is much appreciated. Just to clarify a bit we are a specialist train maintenance company servicing mainline trains. It is just I am fairly new to the company and have been reviewing risk assessments and have found a few dodgy areas which need addressing. The exhaust system being one of them, best regards Phil
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#4 Posted : 12 October 2005 12:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Hi Phil, Just one question, are there are any overhead restrictions, do you have access to the workpiece from the top? Regards Andrew
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#5 Posted : 12 October 2005 12:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Darby Allan Philip Having been in submarine repair we regularly were confronted by this type of situation. Initial thoughts would be to block and wedge into place or even better is to get a couple of the the large airbag systems and gradually lift the exhaust into place. Also depending on access rig up chainblocks/pull lifts using rails as anchor points to rig up a lifting system. Ensure that tackle etc is all in date, of course. regards Darby Where there's a will there's a way to do these tasks safely.
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#6 Posted : 12 October 2005 13:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Philip It may be best to approach the manufacturers designer first of all and ask their design method of re-fit. You probably won't get a useful answer but at least you can make them sweat a bit. The initial response might be to say its not construction work so not covered by CDM duties on designers. It is however covered by Section 6(a) HASAWA so it is their ultimate responsibility. I would push them hard to give an effective solution. Other thoughts include whether it is possible to break down the exhaust into smaller units. If it is an imported unit the responsibility rests with the importer. Bob
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#7 Posted : 14 October 2005 11:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philip Roberts Hi All, Thanks for all responses both on line and direct. I would just like to answer some of the points raised.I am fairly new to this company and have been reviewing risk assessments and found some dodgy areas, the exhaust system being just one of them. We do have equipment to remove the wheelset and drive shaft and do the job safely but production do not want to "waste" the time as it would take three times as long. Hence looking for a safe short cut. Air bags had been thought about as we use them in other situations but there is not enough clearance to allow them to be used in this case. We have done the job with wedges and wooden blocks but this method has in the past led to manual handling difficulties. There is no room or fixing points for block and tackle so now looking for a company to designe a lifting system for us. I have been given a lead which I am following up but I think we will end up "wasting" the time as it is not reasonably practicable to hurt sombody just at the expence of time. Once again thank you all for your input. best regards Phil Roberts MIOSH
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