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#1 Posted : 07 November 2005 12:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By christopher harris My employer is having construction works completed within our yard/workshop area. CDM regs does not apply due to the short duration and number of workers. Apart from section 2 of HASAW act what other legal responsibilities apply to this work???
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#2 Posted : 07 November 2005 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Christopher With your company's portfolio of operations I am a little puzzled by your question - Can you expand? The list may be long or short depending on the scope of work. Bob
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#3 Posted : 07 November 2005 13:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P. Johnson "It shall be the duty of every employer to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, the spelling, grammar and punctuation skills of their employees."
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#4 Posted : 07 November 2005 14:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins Come on David - doon't yau mike any speeling errers? Actually I completely agree - the standard of speeling and grammer is apaling in some posts! Alan (could we have a speeling chicker on the Forum pleese?)
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#5 Posted : 07 November 2005 14:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cr8r David Who was that comment aimed at? I can't see the relevance to the original question. This is a discussion forum, not an English language exam. Who cares about typo's - it's the message that's important. ?????!!!!!!!!??????? There. Christopher - your question is a bit broad. We could list loads of regulations but it probably won't help you much. Can you be more specific?
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#6 Posted : 07 November 2005 15:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Henderson The BIG question guys! Does spelling etc show a level of professionalism or not? Does one even care about how one presents him/herself? You bet!! Grammar can be a minefield and one may not profess to be an expert HOWEVER spelling...............heh! Regards, Stuart.
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#7 Posted : 07 November 2005 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P. Johnson Cr8r, This forum may not be an examination of English; however when you consider that only a few weeks ago evidence was released that bad spelling and grammar is invariably bad business; and that our profession is constantly in the firing line as the medias favourite scapegoat, it is always prudent to try and convey a professional, dignified image as both practitoners, but also in many cases businesspeople. David
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#8 Posted : 07 November 2005 15:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By christopher harris I do apologise for my spelling, poor education and inability to punctuate correctly. Thankyou for pointing out my lack of professionalism. The original question posed refers to employing the services of so-called competent builders who have no certificates of training for scissor lifts, loadalls etc.
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#9 Posted : 07 November 2005 15:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P. Johnson If you doubt their competence because they cannot supply certificates or other proof of competence, I would serviously question if it is appropriate to make use of their services. Whilst they are on your site you have a dute to co-operate for safety and health - the chances are your own H&S policy statements requires adequate information, instruction, training and supervision. As for specific legal requirements, it is difficult to state without knowing the nature of the work being done more fully. Some of the more generic ones which you may have already thought of: Management Regulations Construction (Head Protection) Regulations Welfare Regulations - [are they making use of your facilities or providing their own] I would most probably approach this situation by requesting a copy of their risk assessment for the job, whilst also completing your own, and comparing the two. If they have considered everything that is relevant they should match up pretty well. Good luck. David
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#10 Posted : 07 November 2005 16:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Christopher A blinding response. I don't know how you managed to control yourself from some very poor and inconsiderate comments. My apologies in advance for any spelling or grammatical erros. Ray
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#11 Posted : 07 November 2005 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Talbot Christopher, all the same basic laws apply whether you are working under CDM or not. Yes competencies and training requirements need to be met. There is plenty of guidance on the HSE website under 'contractors'. Spelling is still not a legally defined standard, unlike France and others where the State set the requirements, English is in common ownership and flexible. You write as you like, mate. Using the accepted spellings will however, deprive some people of their fun - which might be a good idea, eh?
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#12 Posted : 07 November 2005 16:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clare Haley Don't apologise Christopher. The main point is that you are seeking advise to try to reduce the risk of injury etc on your site. Is that not what we all are striving to do in this profession. Some people may be put off by some of the comments made on this forum. I just hope that you continue to use it as it i have always found it a good source of information.
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#13 Posted : 07 November 2005 16:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By christopher harris David I am sorry to point out that duty is not spelt with E on the end of the word, however mute is!!!! Moving swiftly on and returning to the original thread, my concern is not specific regulations appertaining to construction. What are the ramifications in criminal/civil law to my employer if the bulider injures himself????
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#14 Posted : 07 November 2005 19:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P. Johnson No, it certainly is not! And perhaps I was a little curt earlier. My frustration is not specifically with you, but with the frank poor language etiquette of a number of posters. What can I say, image is important to me! As for your question, if you want to contact me directly I will discuss the situation a little more fully with you - if I can get a picture of the situation little better, perhaps I could be a little more useful.
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#15 Posted : 08 November 2005 10:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Talbot Sorry David, I can't resist ... There are some good books on grammar and punctuation. They might point out that starting a sentence with "And" is poor practice, asking a question ("What can I say,..") requires a question mark even when it is rhetorical, and maybe that "frank" needs a 'y' in that position - or maybe a comma. There are other slips, but they don't impact on your message. As I said in my other post though, English should be allowed to flow and so long as the reader understands a worthwhile message, perhaps we shouldn't correct each other? (smile)
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#16 Posted : 08 November 2005 21:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P. Johnson The frank actually needed an 'ly'; and I didn't start any sentences with 'and'. A number books suggest that you shouldn't start sentences with any word beginning with a vowel. I have already made clear that my comments weren't aimed at the OP specifically, but at tardiness in general, which I think is clear that we can all be guilty of. As Mill said, "no man is infallible". Chris, I by no means intended to cause offence or to suggest in any way you were unprofessional or ill-educated. I apologise if this is what you construed from my comments. Let's put this matter to rest. DJ
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#17 Posted : 09 November 2005 01:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By John McFeely TecSP, MHCIMA, AMRSH What was the question again?
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#18 Posted : 09 November 2005 08:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By bigwhistle Oh very good I am sure those who pointed out the typo errors are already being head hunted for top jobs in the City. Chris the Construction Health Safety and Welfare Regulations will apply along with all legislation applicable to the workplace ie manual handling ,work at height etc.
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#19 Posted : 09 November 2005 08:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Longworth I've got a question for David. You're not a NEBOSH examiner by any chance are you, because if you aren't you should think of applying.
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#20 Posted : 09 November 2005 08:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins Hi everyone, Sorry to have assisted in splitting this thread, but it really doesn't take much time to preview a submission and read it over before posting. I often spot errors when I do that. (none in this one I hope...) Alan
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