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#1 Posted : 11 November 2005 09:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler I think this might be an old chestnut, but can somebody PLEASE direct me to absolute proof that mobile phones and ipods cause problems inside hospitals, the effects they cause on other electrical equipment, in the UK. I would welcome latest reports no older than 6 months. Thanks Jonathan Sandler
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#2 Posted : 11 November 2005 09:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P. Johnson I am advised by my uncle (a Chartered Radiographer) that the electrical/magnetic/radiation fields emitted by devices such as phones can adversely effect such equipment as MRI scanners. If you put your mobile next to a TV and then call it, you will see the effect it has on the TV. It is aparently magnified in seriousness with the amount of power most medical equipment has. E&OE (third party answer!)
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#3 Posted : 11 November 2005 11:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight The MHRA advises that a total ban on mobiles etc is not necessary http://www.ukmicentral.n...intstory.asp?NewsID=3432 but caution and care is advised, John
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#4 Posted : 11 November 2005 11:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lance Morgan Guidance has been issued on this by the MHRA sometime ago and more recently. The guidance has imo been somewhat inconclusive and contradictory on occasions although there is no doubt they can cause problems when used in close proximity to sensitive life support equipment. On one site the fire alarm was vulnerable and caused numerous false alarms. We still operate a blanket ban in our Trust (supposedly) but it is virtually impossible to enforce with staff, patients and visitors using mobiles despite the signage etc. In sensitive areas like operating rooms, ICU etc the ban is still rigidly enforced.
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#5 Posted : 11 November 2005 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler I would like to thank you all for your comments, I will go to the web page stated. Although you have all stated mobile phones, I did asd the question about ipods, any thoughts on them? Regards. Jonathan Sandler
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#6 Posted : 11 November 2005 15:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Hi Jonathon. In many cases, the ban on mobiles has little to do with the obvious safety issues - for instance,the ban on the use of mobiles on petrol forecourts because of a percieved fire risk is substantially lower than the fire risk created by the vehicles electrics of alternator, starter motor and conventional ignition systems. However, almost all mobile phones are capable of disrupting unshielded electronic information; and computers of any sort, which are playing a greater part in many life-support systems - are particularly vulnerable. Incidentally, many hospitals use extensive internal radio systems; and whilst not in quite the same frequency band as mobile phones, exhibit the same potential for disrupting unshielded cables and equipment. It seems entirely viable to consider extending the shielding provided for the radios into the mobile phone spectrum and thus minimising the consequences of the odd forgetful or awkward visitor. As for things like iPods, CD & DVD players etc; the real question is - do they emit any form of electromagnetic radiation that could interfere with my safety critical electronic equipment? For this, you must ask each manufacturer the same question and then impose a relevant ban on offending items. My imitial position would be that all must be turned off until proven safe. Have a nice weekend y'awl. Frank Hallett
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#7 Posted : 11 November 2005 17:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster Have not yet turned up anything definitive on medical equipment, but there is an interesting, and thought provoking, referenced paper on interference with aircraft systems at http://www.rvs.uni-biele...rch/Rvs/Article/EMI.html As with the aircraft, the medical systems thought most at risk are those in which radio waves play a part, such as scanners and personal monitors. We generally don't get heavy about mobiles being used in non-clinical areas, but the no mobiles rule is strictly enforced in acute wards and around theatre. Anyone who doubts the power of a mobile to interfere with other equipment has never realised what the strange, rhythmic "dee-dee dum, dee-dee dum, dee-dee dum" noise is which can often be heard over telephone landlines, especially office PABXs, off-tune radios etc.
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#8 Posted : 11 November 2005 19:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd ri JL, Hayes DL, Smith TT, Severson RP. Cellular phone interference with external cardiopulmonary monitoring devices. Mayo Clin Proc 2001;76:11-5. http://www.mhra.gov.uk/h...e=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=261
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