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Posted By PJ Moremon
Under the above reform order,is there a specific qualification which a competent person must hold to undertake fire risk assessments?.My understanding is that NEBOSH are introducing a qualification at certificate level.
Could someone assist on this
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Posted By JAI
I have looked into the nebosh cert for fire it's a long way off so you need to find something else for now
The way i have went about this was to attend a fire risk assessment course offered by the local fire brigade training centre
The next course of action is attending a course run by iosh (principles of fire & risk assessment)
Depending on your location some universities have course’s you can take and at the end of the course you can arrange exams with the institute of fire engineers (IFE)
Do enough to prove competence
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Posted By bigwhistle
NEBOSH will soon be running courses in Indian Head Massage except they will be three times more expensive than anywhere else.
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Posted By Gary L Good evening, Im having a little difficulty finding where in the RRFSO it identifies the specific training requirements for competent persons. All I can find in http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2005/20051541.htm#18 is... "A person is to be regarded as competent for the purposes of this article where he has sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities to enable him properly to assist in undertaking the preventive and protective measures." This doesn't mention anything specific. Regards, Gary
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Posted By Frank Hallett
There is still no specific standard to determine competence in fire safety that is legislatively referenced.
However, different parts of the fire safety business are trying to force through a "back-door" third party certification scheme as if it's mandatory; this will naturally provide an advantage for the larger organisations as it's they who control the procedure.
whilst I wouldn't normally state this - the courses currently offered by fire services as a business aspect of their service are extremely variable - I would suggest that either the FPA or the Fire Service College are the best at this time [bet I don't get any pressies for saying that though]. Both are based at Moreton in Marsh.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By TBC
Your right Gary, to be ‘competent’ in most things to do H&S and also Fire Risk assessing you don’t have to have a certain form of certification, but it helps. The only time it would come into question is when and if something was to go wrong.
I have attended the Fire Service College Fire Risk assessment course and it was very good, but there are plenty of ways to complete an assessment. You could follow the ‘five steps to risk assessment, which I don’t remember being mentioned in my course.
I must say though, that since attending the course in 2000 I have come across many designs and methods of carrying out Fire Risk assessments, all well thought out and suitably sufficient for the task. They ranged from a few pages to one by a major banking organisation of 86 pages long. H&S professionals, surveyors and a host of others carried these out, so a bit of everything like experience, knowledge and possibly training or personal study can do the job.
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Posted By TBC
Whilst on this subject: The bits I like are number three and four, but other parts will also open a host of discussion.
Summary of The Fire Safety Order
All existing fire legislation will be repealed including the Fire Precautions Act 1971 , Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regulations 1997/99, Management of Health & Safety in the Workplace Regulations 1999 + 100 pieces of related legislation…
1. Fire certificates will be no longer issued.
2. Each individual company will be responsible for their own fire safety. The employer must conduct a fire risk assessment regardless of the size of the risk. The identified responsible person would therefore take full corporate liability.
3. Extended scope of consideration now to include property safety, fire fighter safety and the environment around the site as well as just protecting life. This means that allowing a building to be sacrificed is unacceptable due to the risk to neighbouring buildings and fire fighters. The responsible person would have a duty to protect the fire brigade.
4. Unlike the Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regulations, the Fire Safety Order places emphasis on business continuity and containing and preventing the spread of small fires. The effectiveness of fire extinguishers is clearly recognised as a major provision in doing just this.
5. Protection is explicitly extended to all occupants and not just employees. Visitors, contractors or passers-by also have to be considered in the risk assessment.
6. Fire fighters are to have greater authority to gain entry to premises and remove samples after a fire.
Enjoy
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