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#1 Posted : 16 November 2005 12:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason Hough We are a steel stockholders and move steel bars around with chain slings. We have the slings inspected every 3months to cover LOLER requirements. All chains have a metal ID tag with unique id number and swl stamped on. we have around 200 chains in circulation. Does anybody know a good effective method of putting a label or such to indicate the chain has been inspected. Currently we have to check the id number against the LOLER report. Would like to have a system so people on the shop floor can be certain that each sling they use has been inspected. Many Thanks
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#2 Posted : 16 November 2005 13:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Jason What about coloured tags, as sometimes used on ladders, with a different colour for each quarter? Paul
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#3 Posted : 16 November 2005 13:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter James Jason I worked in a fabrication shop with similar problems with control of lifting tackle. I tried many types of tags and labels but they all came off In the end we painted the ring with a colour code The current inspected code was well advertised and any not confroming were easily identified and removed from service to be inspected. This system proved effective. Hpoe it is of help Peter James
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#4 Posted : 16 November 2005 13:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Garry P We have used coloured electrical tie wraps with the loose end cut back and as mentioned earlier a different colour for each quarter (colour coding)the tie wraps are quite inexpensive and hard wearing if placed in the right position. Hope this helps garry
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#5 Posted : 16 November 2005 13:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason Hough We as a company have tried tags and cable ties and even the rings they put on chickens legs! We cant seem to stop them from getting pulled off before the inspection cycle is complete. I will try paint any other ideas gretfully recieved Thanks
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#6 Posted : 16 November 2005 14:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric Taylor 1/ De-grease and preferrably grit blast the whole chain assembly and paint the whole thing. Chances of all the paint wearing off is very slim. 2/ Have them electro-plated with different materials. Chrome/Nickel would be silver. Passivated Zinc or Cadmium would be yellow gold. Phospate treated would be be black/dark grey. Paint the 4th option as at 1 above and it will be obvious no matter what the colour. N.B. make sure the plating shop carries out de-embrittlement heat treatment after plating. 3/ Put 3 ty-wraps of the specified colour on the chain. Tell the operators to check they are all present when they check the chain before use. If one had dropped off, put the chain aside and have a responsible person re-attach the correct colour. Chances of all 3 going missing at the one time is slim. 4/ Get them some decent storage and make sure they use it so that the chains aren't lying in a heap in the corner damaging the labels?
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#7 Posted : 16 November 2005 15:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes Would painting the chains not hide any possible hidden blemishes or defects ? Just a thought as I know thats one of the reasons they dont like you painting step-ladders etc
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#8 Posted : 16 November 2005 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By RP Try this, they do a tag system for all sorts of things including chains SCAFFTAG Limited, Scafftag House, Wimborne Road, Barry, Vale of Glamorgan UK CF63 3DH Tel: +44 (0)1446 725300 Fax: +44 (0)1446 743994 Customer Services: +44 (0)1446 725300 email: info@scafftag.com
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#9 Posted : 16 November 2005 17:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Heesom alternatively try Allianz-cornhill engineering services (at a cost). as this will discharge some of your duties by employing a competent person. they have a variety of methods for inspection and certification. normally by coloured tiewraps 6 monthly or coloured discs 12 monthly, if one comes off all you do is identify the lifting equipment from the serial number, match it against the inspection report to confirm that it is in date for examination, and attach a replacement tiewrap / disc. if you have an item that has escaped examination you put it in quarantine until the next inspection. ACE also have tag check manuals, pocket cards and control / quarantine posters to help you run a successful system. If you have lifting equipment that cannot be examined under normall requirements, they also offer a written scheme of examination system to extend the examination period (don't all go quoting regulations like sheep, its simply a service provided by an insurance company division, and I don't realy care anyway!) Lifting gear hire ltd (LGH) also have a system and they will even run your database in an online format. LGH also supply lifting equipment a reasonable cost, and they can conduct load testing / recertification. all solutions under one roof.
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#10 Posted : 16 November 2005 19:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christopher Kelly Paying ACE for Tagcheck is expensive when you can use your own cable ties and get your own signage made up. Be careful you don't make the system too complicated, I know ACE had this problem when designing their tagcheck system. I don't know anyone who has solved this problem. A lot of firms I used to know used to provide the inspecting engineer with a pot of paint, main thing is to store the tackle properly not leave it lying around, which is when a lot of damage occurs. Incidentally paying your insurance company engineer to inspect tackle is expensive - you might be better employing a trained, independent, person and you will then be able to afford to pay them to administer your tackle.
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#11 Posted : 16 November 2005 19:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christopher Kelly Incidentally do you use a crane or FLT? Sounds like you are using lifting equipment which you also use for lifting other items and are continually swapping tackle from item to item? If FLT you need an appropriate lifting point and shouldn't be hanging over the forks. I seem to remember many crane manufacturers used to manufacture special grabs for steel bars for use with cranes, suggest speak to Lloyds British or someone. Try to implement local control of tackle in the shop if you cannot centrally store and make someone responsible for it.
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