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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Just been typing up my daughtes nativity play, I think the DTI should be looking into this.
'On the hills near Bethlehem there were some busy shepherds.
They had hundreds and hundreds of sheep to look after.
They worked night and day and hardly got any sleep.'
Have they not heard about working time directive? how about welfare what has happend to that? I mean who was there safety advisor? are they employed or are they self employed.
Please fellow chartered safety and health practitioners can we not at least hepl the poor shepherds?
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Posted By Brett Day
Not thinking of the sheperds, but given that Myrrh can cause rashes on sensitive skin (such as a babies), perhaps we should be asking if the wise men did a COSHH assessment??
I am assuming that this thread is tongue firmly in cheek
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Posted By Philip McAleenan
Brett,
they are "Wise Men"... of course they did their assessments.
Philip
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Posted By Alan Haynes
I've always been more than a little concerned about that old man who creeps into children's bedrooms in the middle of the night - supposedly to leave presents.
Has he been 'Police Checked'?
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Posted By Jeff Manion
Jonathan please do not be so fast with your comments.
Do the WTD or other regulations apply in Bethlehen?
Tut tut!!
JM
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Posted By Eric Burt
This year Santa also has the Work at Height Regulations to contend with.
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Posted By DW
I wonder if he knows proper manual handling techniques for all those sacks of presents?
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Posted By Simon Heesom
Has M&J assessed whether there is a possibility of contracting a Zoonose from all those sheep!
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Jeff
See that Israel competes in the Euro Song Comp and has won it, this must therefore, we can argue, as we are now chartered, well behaved etc, makes them qual for WTD.
And as they qual for WTD, therefore, associ regs and acts, but keep them clean, MUST, be taken into consideration.
Regards
JS (C)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Jeff
p.s. Tut Tut was an egyptian. Blah
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Posted By srd
I suppose then that the traditional red outfit worn by Santa could be classed as PPE, as it protects from the cold. Will he (or she) also need to wear a fall resist harness?
Slips and trips is probably a major hazard given the wintry conditions he has to work in, and are chimneys classed as confined spaces?
How does he get on with travelling between different countries on Christmas Eve, when not every country has the same health and safety regulations?
Don't get me started ...
Stephen.
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Stephen,
Thank you for your comment, but we are looking at WTD for the shepherds, who where washing their socks at night, whilst seated round the tub, then whilst on drugs, they saw this bright light, and this bright light then spoke to them saying, glory shone around, Zola scores again.
This person, father christmas, non pc, comes under EU Law, and also is 19 Cent person, we are talking BC.
As for WAH and International Air Space, FC's sledge must have stelth techno, need to look at Aviation Law, come on you fly boys out there, lend us your guidance.
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Posted By Jim Lacey
Getting in to the theme:
Whats his policy on drink driving!!!!!
Has the sleigh had its PSV inspection. Is there a tacho fitted.
have the reindeer had their hoofs checked for suffienct tread.
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Jim are you asking me? I am Chartered not a prophet
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Posted By Mark Talbot
Jim, most of the requirements you mention are related to Road Traffic Acts ... when did you last see Santa on a road?
Can't remember whether a sleigh is mentioned in the aircraft categories either .. might get tricky to find the legislation, or even standards you would need to bring a non-conformity against.
My guess is you will be getting a piece of coal for suggesting such things!
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Posted By J Knight
The thing about the sleigh is when you sit down and work out the speed the thing goes at it becomes apparent that pretty advanced materials are required to stop it melting (or even turning into a black hole as its speed approaches c and its mass nears infinity). Plus Santa (more PC than Father Xmas as it doesn't imply gender or religion) would need full BA and probably body armour, let alone coping with the accelerations,
John
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Posted By Mark Talbot
John,
You are being limited by the notion that time is constant for all of us ... Santa has a calm night, because Santa time is much more weighted towards p.m. 25th Dec than ours.
Body armour? The portly figure (adequately maintained by mince pies and sherry) seems to have developed as a natural response to minor impacts.
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Posted By Merv Newman
I doubt that santa could be considered as an "employed person". Have seen no mention of him/her being paid for services rendered. Seems to survive solely on charity handouts - mince pies, odd glass of port and so on. And who would the employer be anyway ?
I suppose there could be a case for "self employed" but I've never received an itemised invoice.
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Merv,
If he is self employed does IR35 come into it?
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Posted By John Allen
The Inland Revenue will have to decide whether it's a case of disguised employment. And does he split the profits with Mrs Claus? Are all those elves on contracts of service or contracts for service?
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
So now we are getting somewhere, is Santa an Employer? does he employ more than 5 Persons/Raindeer, (need to take that up with the RSPCA!!!!!!
Is Santa limited status or sole trader? the questions are many, but let us not forget the Shepherds, who employed them? who do the sheep belong to?, These questions must be answered, (42) thats not questions!!
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Posted By Bill Fisher
Picking up on Jonathan's point as to who owns the sheep. When we find that out can we confirm that radiation/contamination (post-Chernobyl) levels will not create a problem for the children?
Bill
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Bill.
I was not aware that radiation radioactive contamination has time travel potential.
Please expand.
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Posted By Debbie S
Back to the WTD and the shepherds - have they had their Night Workers Health Assessment done.....
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Posted By J Knight
We don't need to worry about where he goes for his elf-n-safety advice ;-)
John
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
In reply to Debbie question, the answer, I have been advised is yes, however there might have been some misunderstanding whilst transtlating from English into Aramaic, for example we could not find the translation for the word 'protective foot wear' and 'batteries not included'however a fire risk assessment had been carried out on torches and spit roasting lamb.
Why do we have Turkey at Christmas, as they are now part or the EU?
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Posted By J Knight
Jonathon, Turkey isn't in the EU yet, and even if it was they are a majority islamic country so Xmas would be strictly optional for them. In any event Turkey (the bird) comes from North America, and there are still three villages in Syria where Aramaic is spoke, so we could find out what they say when they need AAAs for their iPods (I will volunteer to go on a fact finding mission if the assembled IOSH bods will sub me my air fare).
What about all that brandy and then still flying your sledge? Pilots get the boot if they so much as have a sniff of a snifter, maybe all the fat soaks up the alcohol?
John
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
JK Please refer to D&A Policy, I told you before!!!!!!
More is good less stress. Please refer to previous thread re bright light thats talks.
If you went on the trip, not D&A related, you could become a FC?
Regards
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Good link, like it thanks for the input
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Posted By T Phillips
Surely Santa must consider the potential for development of testicular cancer as well? This was proved many years ago as a risk for chimney sweeps.
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Ba;lls you mean!!!!
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