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#1 Posted : 01 December 2005 17:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clare Hazlewood Can anyone point me towards guidance notes for first aiders on dealing with self-harm incidents in an educational establishment (ages 14 to adult)? I'm looking for guidance covering confidentiality /incident recording / casualty disposal / sources of help / looking after the first aider. Many thanks Clare
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#2 Posted : 01 December 2005 18:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Clare Casualty disposal sounds a bit drastic; perhaps you could explain! Paul
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#3 Posted : 01 December 2005 18:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Fisher Clare As you imply by your list of points I think you recognise you need a structure to your approach. As you hint your first aider will not in the main be able to deal with the underlying issue but merely apply the plaster. That said, with the right training they could provide support in the initial stages and help to direct to more intense support. I would recommend that you contact the Samaratins, either via their HQ or Local Branch. After initial contact you could meet them and discuss such issues as presentations to staff and pupils, training for your aiders and advertisement of their number for those that want anonymity. Do you have a link to a Doc. or the local hospital Psychiatric Team? Coupled with the Samaratins you would then have a good and effective structure. If you wish to chat e-mail me with your contact number. Regards Bill
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#4 Posted : 02 December 2005 08:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. Hi, Confidentiality/recording: you could use the new accident recording book to record each incident. This has a tear off strip for each accident; these can then be locked away separately. You don't say but I am assuming from your indication of 14 - adults that you are in some form of specialist school. Thus I would assume that the staff acting as first aider will have knowledge of the type of pupil you service and would also have some specialist training. I would also assume you would have access to educational psychologists and other professional help. I would suggest they could give some additional training. Are any of your pupils in contact with a local CPN they may also be able to offer advice/support to staff. I would disagree with getting them more involved than acting as first aiders and I feel that access to the above would be much more appropriate than contacting the Samaritans. Hope the above helps in what is obviously a difficult situation. Cheers
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#5 Posted : 02 December 2005 10:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Fisher Jack Whilst your approach has a structure that can lend support I took the view that if the establishment was special needs your suggested structure would already be their in part. My suggestion of the Samaratins was based on the fact that those that self-harm generally do so in an almost secretive way and it is likely to be the first aider/teacher in a casual setting who notices the tell-tale signs. With that if you then fire the person into the formal system you will generally switch the comms route down. By using a structured but 'casual' support you stand a better chance of persueding the person to seek help. But of course as I sad if you have the support of a GP or local Psyc. Team even better. Bill
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#6 Posted : 02 December 2005 11:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. Hi Bill, I take your point. I still feel the samaratins are not the appropriate people to deal with this. Whilst they offer sympathy and in some cases understanding the person needs a much more structured and professional help. Whilst the reasons for individual self harm are complex and specific to that individual it is almost without exception a cry for help and thus the indivudual usually bring attention to it as witnessed in this case: the school are aware of the self harm. Cheers
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#7 Posted : 02 December 2005 16:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Fisher Jack Whilst I know the Samaratins can do more than you suggest I accept the points you make. I do think that if you put my thoughts and yours together you will actually achieve a working structure - mine being the "first aid" yours being the follow through - I can accept that. Regards Bill
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#8 Posted : 02 December 2005 17:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Helen Horton You might find your local MIND office helpful too. My neighbour is a case worker for them and says that self harm is becoming an increasing problem, especially in teenage girls. It gives them some sort of control over their lives in situations where they don't feel in control and provides a kind of coping mechanism for stress. It does need more than a sticking plaster though and can often get out of hand if the right kind of help isn't forthcoming initially or if people are judgemental.
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#9 Posted : 02 December 2005 17:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster You might find Applied Suicide Intervention Skills training valuable. Info at http://www.livingworks.net/ We have had a number of people through this and the feedback has been excellent
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#10 Posted : 02 December 2005 17:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jerry Lucey The Educational Medical Advisory Service (EMAS) might be able to help or at least point you in the right direction. I have consulted them in the past and found them to be very helpful.
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#11 Posted : 02 December 2005 17:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jerry Lucey Sorry Claire, that is the Employment Medical Advisory Service (EMAS)
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