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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Fellow members. My previous threads re enforcement and the possibility of setting up an SG group, seems to be moving forward. I would like to slightly change it through, how about a Legal SG? This group would be able to look at all aspects of current H&S Legislation, and could be made up from, Union Reps, Safety Advisors, Enforcement, Lawyers. If you would be interested in this type of group, please could email me direct or post your reply on this link.
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Posted By Iain. Taylor
Wow Johnathan,
This is one of the most positive threads I have seen on this site, great suggestion.
The approach Jonathan suggests has been used successfully to move safety forward in a number of areas ,not only legislative ,it also begins the basic principle of consultation, participation and IMO removes significant barriers about the politicizing of safety.
Safety Groups from expierence like the one being suggested are used extensively by one of my former employers (Enforcement) this would and should serve as a beacon to other groups to demonstrate POSITIVE pro-active safety ,and would be a feather to organisations like IOSH.
Just my experience ..
again my 2p worth.
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Posted By John McFeely
As a Health and Safety Representative and Union Representative I believe that this is a great idea. Union Reps all over the UK have access to a legal group on their support web site unionreps.org.uk this gives us a chance to view Government Consultation Documents and add our comments. It also serves the purpose of keeping one step ahead in Health and Safety. My only question is why didn't we think of this before?
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Posted By Rob Wright
Jonathan, it's a great idea & I'm all in favour, as it's a topic that all of us struggle with at some point. The role needs to be carefully considered, but I think the Legal SG outputs must include: acting as a consultee for IOSH on proposed legislation; producing impartial easy-speak guides for members; acting as a focal point & giving advice to members on everyday issues of interpretation; writing articles for SHP/IOSH web areas on topic-specific things like law reform, constitutional issues etc..; and a few publications..... Environment to be included of course!
The great thing is - it will be the only SG affecting everybody!
When do we start?
Rob
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Fellow members, thank you for your support, which is great. I would love to get a group of members from different industries, Fire, Police, NHS, Retail, Rail etc... this way we would cover all industry sectors.
I have no idea, at present, how the group will run, I will be advised on that no doubt, and what the group wishes to achive, this group is for the members, this group, because of it topic, could also run via the internet, as well as quarterly meetings?
I have talked to IOSH about it and they are keen on the group.
Who knows even one day IOSH might even put a spell check programme on the response page!!!!!
Once again thanks for your support and encouragement, please lets get this group going.
Regards
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Posted By ITK
I am interested.
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Posted By AlB
Jonathan,
I think it's a great idea. Count me in. With experience in quarrying, manufacturing and construction I have a thing or two to contribute.
I hope more members see the benefit in this, and als see it as a great networking opportunity.
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Dear ITK, please would you be good enought to send me your email address, so I can keep you name on file.
Regards
Jonathan Sandler
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Not being a Killjoy I promise but the intention of your group seems just a little woolly at the moment. As the law affects us all you perhaps could focus down to Operational and Enforcement impacts.
Having said that the basic idea is a good one for me potentially.
Bob
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Robert, thanks for the input, yes you are correct the outline of the group sounds a bit wooly, but I expanded on a previous thread Enforcement SG, to legal SG, Who, what, how, where, when, which and why are still open to discussion, what are your comments? regards.
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Posted By George Wedgwood
This is good news and let's hope that the enthusiasm carries through to the delivery of a first stage application to the new Groups Management Sub Committee (GMSC), who will consider the application. However, there is plenty of help available to move this forward. The important part is to get enough interest (probably 25 - 100 Members or so) and then enough sincere support to form a 'steering' committee to see the application through. David Bloodworth (Groups Manager based at the Grange) and I (Chair GMSC - 07836 718908) will do our very best to facilitate this request and move it forward.
Kind regards and good luck, George
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
George
Thanks for the input, once again, must send you that £5.00!!! Have 14 members interested so far, who want to join. There will be a artical in Feb's SHP.
Regards.
Jonathan Sandler
ps will call you later on today if that is ok?
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Posted By Salus
Jonathan could you plezze give me info so that I can reed the previuos freds
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
The out line of the group could be this, copied from the HSE web site, Cosultive document on simplification of regulations, apt timimg:
Simplification for business to help them concentrate on improving outcomes rather than bureaucratic processes.
We are making a commitment to reduce the burden of forms by 25% following a zero-based review; and further to simplify guidance on risk assessment.
changing the culture for example through a campaign to tackle risk aversion; consideration of alternative penalties to reduce burdens and simplify enforcement; and challenging policy makers on the need for new regulation and its impact on SMEs.
simplifying existing legislation including proposals on management of construction projects which impact on a wider range of businesses across sectors; and a fundamental review of the system on reporting injuries and ill-health.
joined up enforcement including more effective partnership with LAs to secure a consistent, targeted approach; and new arrangements for dealing with large organisations to ensure interventions are better coordinated for multi-site firms and consistent with agreed priorities for improvement across the organisation
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
The original working party perceived these groups as Special Interest Groups rather than the Specialist Groups title which now exists. Some thoughts for the groups sphere:
a) The effectiveness of legislation as method of control.
b) Role and methods of enforcement and development of strategies for regulatory authorities and internal control.
c) Use of legislation v self regulation in specific situations.
d) Compliance auditing and monitoring
Some quick jottings anyway
Bob
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Posted By Gilly Margrave
Hi Jonathan,
Definitely with you on this one - go for it.
Gilly:)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Bob,
Your comments are just the type of positive comments I am looking for.
I have had positve replies from HSE not HSC yet!!!LA Industry Safety Directors, safety advisors etc, this group will help other groups, indiviuals, sectors, a cross party. The members have demonstrated theirs needs and desires in asking to join this group. Both Holland and Denmark have now got Simplifcation of their regulations, the UK has started consultation and IOSH wish to be a part of that.
Bob are you willing to come on board?
Regards
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Posted By Tonie Davey
Dear Jonathan. I too agree that a Specialist Group of the nature you suggest would be invaluable. I also agree, "why was it never done before". Great idea. I would be willing to give you and support I can. Please contact me if there is anything I can assist you with.
Tonie Davey
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Posted By Jeff Manion
Jonathan am interested
Will liase direct i due course
JM
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Posted By Frank Hallett
OK Jonathon - I'm definitely up for it! Though that's probably the kiss of death as far as a number of potential recruits are concerned.
As previous threads have shown; it is of the utmost importance that safety professionals have the best level of understanding of what the legislation actually means and how it really works in practice. To fail to achieve this is to fail as a safety professional group in my opinion.
email me direct once you're ready.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By steven bentham
Count me in please
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Posted By Tony Henshall
Definitely interested but would also like to see civil law included in the groups remit. Trying to reduce the risk of litigation is relevant and often more expensive than the fines imposed for criminal offences. Also it is often the fear of claims rather than health and safety enforcement that leads to some of the bad press the profession receives i.e. cancelling school trips, banning conkers and the like.
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Posted By Wayne Harris
Johnathan,
The best idea for a long time, If I can be of any support to you please feel free to contact me on: wayne@centremax.co.uk or Tel: 01304 371300 (OFFICE)
Regards
Wayne
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Posted By Sheila EJ Keogh
Count me in please. You said you want H&S dudes from various sectors - I work for a charity organisation.
Whilst writing - I've been trying to set up a Charities Health & Safety Forum as there doesn't seem to be one in existence. If anybody out there also works for a charity & you want to join the forum please contact me at Sheila.keogh@raineronline.org
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Posted By Mark Talbot
I have emailed you my interest too - good luck, hope it gets off the ground.
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