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Posted By Jerry Lucey
I have been a Corporate Member of IOSH since 2003 and have recently been installed as a CMIOSH, having completed two years CPD.
I understand that I will be eligable to apply for Fellowship status in 2008 and was wondering what routes others in my position had taken to achieve 'imminence' which is what I understand someone has to achieve to reach this level and what the process involved.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Jerry
Unfortunately the answer to what is needed is about as open as the length of a piece of string. We have past precedent of what has been accepted and these have covered a wide variety of activities. The interview panel will be looking for exceptional contribution, this may be service to charities, published and active research in the field, work within national industry organisations or confederations or the like, or service to the institution. I personally have been involved in local action groups, national organisations and some service to the institution.
At the end of the day the panel will need to form a judgement on the candidate before them. If you look at the current requirements and think around what it actualy means and you may come close. It is not an automatic acceptance however, do not see it as a mere ticking of boxes.
Bob
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Posted By dbaird
I found it all a bit cloudy to say the least. One of the criteria that was there when I applied a year or two ago was that you had to have made an orginal contribution to your field.
At the time I had recently finished my PhD from Aston (which had trained HSE for 20 odd years)in Management Systems and Safety Culture - this was applied research in manufacturing as I worked as HSE advisor then to a rubber / plastics facility. I had also published. Given that the definition of a PhD is that it adds new / orginal thought to the field I would have thought that this was OK. FIOSH in the bag, but not so. I had been an RSP for 5 years at the time and had a National HS role for SEPA and 10+ years HSE experience overall.
The only box I couldnt tick is involvement in IOSH groups and I can only conclude that you must be able to tick the committee boxes and be able to have the the time off work to do so? Job and qualification is not enough.
Was left a bit dispirited by the whole IOSH experience after that - I could only conclude that being in committees and going to meetings is a pre-requisite.
Dont know if there are any FCIOSHs out there who don't have involvement in IOSH??
Dave
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Dave
The judgement on installation as a fellow is not easy as the range of offerings is potentially so vaste. I tried to indicate that in my first response that success was not assured. The earlier decisions have to an extent attempted to tick all criteria but in reality the listing is indicative. The new style panel interviews when they commence will I believe iron out some of the issues and there will be a transparent appeal procedure against a decision. Believe me I have been on the training recently and it is hard graft to satisfy the general requirements to undertake a successful interview and that is just for the interviewers. The process should be reproducible though.
Bob
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Posted By EE
It all depends what you want out of IOSH Jerry, the panel can have very odd views on who can join their "elite" club. Don't get disillusioned, keep doing a thorough job to keep your employer happy and the pompus panel will surely accept you in the end.
I personally don't bother with the IOSH conferences and committees any more - there are too many consultants pushing their businesses and professionals with too much time on their hands to know what goes on in the real world.
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Posted By Zyggy Turek
Some interesting views of what constitutes a Fellow, i.e. "pompous", "elitist" & sitting on IOSH Committees as a pre-requisite!
Having been granted this status some 9/10 years ago I must admit that I do not recognise these traits in myself or other colleagues that are now CFIOSH, but then again I may be too pompous to see it!
When I proudly received Fellowship, yes, proudly, I had no involvement with any IOSH Committees, but was involved in H&S work external to my employment.
Times change & I too have been on the IOSH panel training for Chartered & Fellow admissions so that I can give something back to colleagues still on the ladder, not to push them back down, but to help them up!
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but it is a shame that such generalisations can be made of professionals who have given their time & support to further the cause of H&S in this country, along with every other grade of Member.
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Posted By bigwhistle
I can recommend some stretching techniques.
Nobody blows louder!
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Bigwhistle
Don't bother as I, and I'm sure Ziggy, can spot posers from more than a light year off.
Fellowship is not about an elitist club but a genuine recognition of contribution at a senior level in the profession.
Bob
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Posted By Jerry Lucey
Thanks for the many helpful contributions to this thread which are much appreciated.
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Posted By fats van den raad
MMMMmmmm don't forget that these things are also awarded for what IOSH can get out of it... eg a person that had done a lot of research in a field that IOSH was particularly keen to promote was given FIOSH, even though his qualifications was in psychology... and a single health and safety qualification in sight
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Hope your implication remains that he is one of the 80 or so FIOSH who were non FIOSH RSP on the 15th November. We do (did) award honorary fellowships but such was an exception not a rule. The new structure does not permit it now. Having said that I believe the person you may be talking did obtain professional safety education at a later stage. As I said before the route is elastic as there is only precedent to go by. It was uneven at one time but should now be more uniform in its acceptance criteria.
Bob
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