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#1 Posted : 03 December 2005 23:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Scottie I am interested in people opinions. If a person carries out a task at work and then experiences non specific back pain, is this an accident? If they are them off for over three days following this non specific injury is this RIDDOR reportable? Obviously if there is cause and effect then it is an incident and riddor etc, but what if you suspect / know that the injury is a way to get more time off without being seen to swing the lead? There is no right or wrong here, what are the opinions of my learned freinds?
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#2 Posted : 04 December 2005 02:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By John McFeely Hi Scottie, I'm afraid there is a right and wrong here, if the person is only after a few days off then they are in the wrong. As for an incident involving a person hurting themselves or someone else, this is an accident, no matter the area of the body injured.
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#3 Posted : 04 December 2005 15:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman This is the difference, if it is at all possible to define it, between RSI and manual handling. With RSI, the emphasis is on repetitive actions, maybe the same non-ergonomic action avery few seconds or minutes, without adequate recovery time in between. Manual handling injuries can be described as occuring in a similar manner but being related to higher bodily stress and much lower frequency (lifting 25kg once every five minutes as opposed to tapping on a keyboard at 300 strokes per minute) In manual handling, (apart from the "one off" : awkard lifting of 25kg and "me back's gone") once a day lifting of an awkwardly shaped mass can result in cumulative stress. Eventually resulting in the person being unable to repeat the action without pain or difficulty. I would assimilate this as a work-related injury and, if more than three days are lost, then RIDDOR. Now, someone tell me, please, that according to the legislation, "I've lost my marbles"
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#4 Posted : 04 December 2005 21:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan Scottie In reply to your question, 'If a person carries out a task at work and then experiences non specific back pain, is this an accident?', I think that you may need further data on the specific task(s) and on the intensity of the 'non specific back pain' but, as a safety ergonomist (who pays his dues as a registered member of The Ergonomics Society as well as a CMIOSH), I would be inclined to regard it as a form of musculo-skeletal disorder, subject to confirmation by a qualified physiotherapist or osteopath. The most readable authoritative guides on this subject remain 'Ergonomics, Work and Health' by S Pheasant, Macmillan, 1991 and 'Bodyspace' S Pheasant, Taylor & Francies, 2nd edition, 1996. From memory, I recall the author identifies about 13 classes of musculo-skeletal disorders, and states emphatically that you can succumb to one of them by simply lifting a pencil. So, I personally am inclined to strongly advise an employer to a. complete the F2508 form for such an incident, ticking the box on 'handling' b. ensure that a system for monitoring the incidence of back, shoulders, arms and hands strains are monitored monthly c. introduce a scaled down form of peer observation of safe behaviour where any form of lifting of weights (or of repetitive movements of the upper limbs, use of force with handtools, twisting of the torso and similar sources of strain) is involved in carrying out a task, whether due to the nature of the task or the working conditions. As musculo-skeletal disorders can easily become intensely painful, it's safer to educate employees and managers about them and monitor v. carefully than to allow matters to drift and find yourself, at best, forking out loadsa money on remedial care and sick pay or at worst, on the back foot in the face of a claim for personal injury damages and for adjustments under the DDA due to 'an impairment' you might have prevented.
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