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Posted By Vicky Godber-Ford Moore
Hi,
We are having to use a lead based paint on one of our projects. The architect has said I need to obtain the necessary license to be able to use lead based paint. I wasn't aware of this.
Does anyone know where I am supposed to obtain this license from?
Thanks in anticipation.
Vicky
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Vicky
With the claims for competence made by your firm I am getting troubled by your postings. I have not yet seen an argument to continue use of any lead based paint. I suggest that you need to take a close examination of what is happening here. If this is Eng Heritage I am very surprised as I have had projects with the opposite conclusion.
Can I suggest you email me and we will talk more off-line.
Bob
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Robert,
I THINK that there might have been some emails sent to Vicky DIRECT!!!!!
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Posted By Liz C Vicky It is the manufacture, supply and use of paint containing white lead that requires a licence, lead paint is not generally availible for sale. This licence can be obtained if the property is confirmed as being grade 1 or 2 listed. Further information is given in this link,and you paint supplier will be able to advise you about the application process and will do this for you. www.defra.gov.uk/environ...emicals/lead/advice4.htmYou will need to ensure you comply with the contol of lead at work regulations when determining the risk controls and safe system of work for the application of the paint.
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler
Well you could have blown me down with a feather.
You learm something new every day!!!!
Thanks Liz
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Still does not mean that it should be used. This is where the conservation lobby shoot themselves in the foot. Are we going to see a need also to use some of the highly toxic pigments to colour this white paint just so that we cannot determine the difference between old and new except under complex chemical analysis.
I would actually bring our friendly HSE inspectors in on this one. There are many suitable, both safety and environmental wise, paints that produce the same visual appearance and texture without running into the many issues involved with the use of lead paint. Just what is the argument for the use of a material capapble of causing chronic poisoning let alone the issues of application and use. Put the designer in the frame and let he/she be the one to explain the desparate design need.
Bob
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
Been there, done that.
A firm I do work for irregularly had a renovation job to price for. The architect stated that he wanted the job done as it was over 100 years ago. Despite the fact that modern paints are much better at corrosion protection, he insisted it was finished as it was when first made.
The job was turned down.
I think you'll find that there's a jobsworth in there somewhere.
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Posted By Vicky Godber-Ford Moore
Thank you all for the info, esp Liz.
Robert, do you not find it is best to find out a few more facts about a project or client, you know nothing about, before making such statements regarding my company's competence?
Vicky
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Posted By wesley james mason
I think that this is a perfect example of where 'designers' need to be aware of their duties under the CDM Regulations!
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Posted By Vicky Godber-Ford Moore
I totally agree with you.
We are organising various Designer Awareness days around the country to try and combat this problem.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Vicky
I was merely concerned that a company who has set out their stall to deal with conservation properties should still be resolving the issues around lead paint and planning supervision. It was not any imputation against you personally.
Whilst my listed building activities are not routine I have dealt with a number over the years; at least one dating back to 1420 with subsequent Marian, Anne and Georgian additions. The issues of designers attempting to re-create the original was always one of the issues to be addressed. I can deal with lime mortar, daub and wattle, horse hair plaster and lime washed walls but cannot see any advantage in the use of the toxic materials then used being used today.
I personally found English Heritage and others normally supportive. The problem is most often posed by designers who have rightly been referred to as jobsworths. Re-educating designers is the only route forward but unless this is your own in-house design team then it will continue to be water off a duck's back as you will continue to be seen as a contractor moaning about a job. Ultimately you may need to wield the HSE stick to try and bring some sense into the situation.
Bob
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Posted By philip jones Vicky, we run Designer awareness day training in basic CDM and CDM design risk management-practical solutions, if you or any body esle on here would like information of course content, costs and venues etc, please feel free to contact Mark Johnson, on 01977 520911 or email mark.johnson@abco-safety.co.uk Happy Christmas to all Regards Phil
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