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Posted By Neil Koskie
Hi
Does anyone know where I can get hold of some pictures to demonstrate near misses. I know there are plenty out there of accidents and bad practice, but I am struggling to find any of near misses.
Any help would be appreciated.
Neil
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
Hi Neil,
Depends how you define near miss - if it includes property damage but no fatality or serious injury, then:
http://www.safetyphoto.c...old_collapse_cardiff.htm
This collapse happened when there was no one about...
...so did the Bluncefield Depot 'near miss'!
Alan
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Posted By Ralph219
Bluncefield had 2 serious injuries and 40 odd minor ones, so can hardly be described as a near miss.
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
Yes I agree Ralph, but compared to the potential consequences perhaps the point could be stretched somewhat?
Alan
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Posted By fats van den raad
I personally would not include a scaffold collapse as a near miss either... but then I suppose it is because I work on te accident definition that specifies the result as personal injury and/or damage to property or equipment.
As to stretching the petrol depot fire to be a near miss because the number and severity of the injuries were a lot less than what could potentially have happened??? By that arguement a person e.g. tripping and falling resulting in a broken arm could be seen as a near miss, because he could have banged his head on a table and died??
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Neil
All this points to the need to define your near-miss first before you start to illustrate. I personally have the rather esoteric view in that "It is any event which happens, or is caused by animate beings, that increases the level of risk in the work area, but which has no consequence in injury to persons or damage to plant, equipment or property however minor".
Thus an object falling to the ground close to a person is not a Near Miss because the object is damaged to some extent. The Near Miss pre-dated the falling in that some person acted to locate the object.
Bob
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Posted By David A Jones
I must agree with Fats on this one.
If we stretch the point on this type of thing, employees will get even more confused. Most people can get their head around reporting incidents and with appropriayte guidance could even classify them correctly. What I find is that most business have great difficulty in getting near misses reported - stretching the definition will start making people think near misses are about accidents where the injuries could have been worse, rather than incidents where fortunately no injury or damage occurred but clearly could have.
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Posted By Neil Koskie
The definition which I use is 'an unplanned event, that under slightly different circumstances, could have resulted in harm to people or damage to property'.
I would be interested to know how other people define a near miss, and also how you educate your workforce on the importance of reporting them.
Neil
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
OK everybody, you got me bang to rights on this one...
Our definition of a near miss is also where there is no injury, ill health effect or property damage but where there is the potential for such and I have to agree that it's already confusing to many so we don't need to muddy the waters further. I withdraw. :-)
Alan
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Posted By fats van den raad
Heard a rather nifty defenition of a near miss once... "An accident that didn't happen"..
At least I am glad to see that there seems to be general agreement on the term "near miss" as I can clearly recal long boring arguements about "there is no such thing as a near miss.." or "it should be a near hit instead...."
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Posted By fats van den raad
Back to the original request for photgraphical evidence of near misses.... by defenition I would think that it would be near impossible to get such an item for a near miss, as one would have to photograph the incident as it happens (or not). Any photographs of resulting consequences would almos certainly define the incident as an accident, due to the very presence of consequences..
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Posted By Neil Koskie
I suppose that what I am really after is an interesting way of demonstrating what a near miss is. I am preparing a presentation for staff in a manufacturing environment, primarily to make it clear in their minds the difference between a near miss and an accident and also the importance of reporting near misses.
Maybe representing a near miss using photos is not possible, as Fats has already pointed out. But what about using clipart or other graphics? If anyone can point me in the direction of this or has any other ideas please let me know.
Neil
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
I suppose that's the general direction I was heading - though wrong to describe those incidents as near misses - they illustrate outcomes that were very, very 'lucky' (now there's a contentious word!) but which had the potential to have been considerably more serious.
Little chance of having photos of genuine near misses as Fats rightly points out.
There are videos that illustrate near misses but only (usually) as part of the treatment of a broader subject such as the 'Stay Alive 9 to 5' video (FPA) and 'Don't Take a Chance' (Workcare).
Alan
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Posted By fats van den raad
Neil
May I suggest that you select the Image search on GOOGLE and enter the phrase "near miss". This does bring up a varaiety of (mostly airoplane based) images. Maybe you can use some of these to illustrate your point.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
You could perhaps look for photos of
Tools laying on high level cable trays
Heavy objects stored on top of cupboards
Fire extinguishers used as door props
Pedestrians walking in traffic only areas
As you realise I dislike the idea of something actually happening being called a Near Miss - It is as has beeen sugggested a Near Hit.
Bob
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Posted By steve e ashton
Neil:
for illustrative purposes, I used to describe a pile of (redundant) loose tiles left on a roof parapet following maintenance.
A windy day - the first thirty tiles fall, landing in the grass, and may be kicked to one side to prevent anyone tripping. This falls within my own 'near miss' definition. It is a clear learning opportunity that will be missed if no-one reports it.
The next tile hits the managers car - minor property damage.
The next tile hits someone's arm as they walk underneath, causing bruising and shock.
The next tile slices through a skull - why didn't we learn from the near miss, the property damage or the minor injuries?
If the next tile has potential to hit the discharge hose from the LPG tanker fuelling the Central Heating system... - how many fatalities?
The example is useful, because all events have the same fundamanetal or underlying cause(s) - and the reason for encouraging near misss reporting is to learn from them, to take remedial actions that prevent the more serious property damage or injury accidents. It is also useful because you can have as many tiles as you need to fit your own version of the Bird / Heinrich accident triangle.
It's also fairly easy to draw as a cartoon on powerpoint or OVH slides!
Hope this helps.
Steve
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
You can all guess which part of Steve's scenatio i regard as the Near Miss:-)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
To be pedantic Robert - the items you describe are now termed 'undesired circumstances' (HSG 245).
Alan
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Posted By Neil Koskie
Thanks for all your help, feel free to keep it coming.
Neil
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Posted By Sheila EJ Keogh
The Fire Protection Association has a video called "Stay Alive from 9 to 5" that shows "near misses". I've only just bought our copy and so haven't sent it out to staff yet (so no other feedback), but it was the visuals of the near misses that grabbed me (or just missed me??? - if you know what I mean). I think it will be very helpful. Sheila
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