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#1 Posted : 14 December 2005 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
I work for a large Care Charity, providing care to adults in neurologocal care centres and hospices. Our hospices (adult hospices) have been told by 'The Inspectors' that they have to do child-protection training for all staff. We don't work with children. Yes, we have children visiting (as do Tesco) but almost invariabbly in the company of responsible adults. And in fifteen years of working in adult care I have never heard of any dodgy events involving children. So it's not just elf n'safety folks, mad regulators are everywhere,

John

PS Don't tell me that there do exist hugely unlikely circumstances where child abuse might happen in one of our premises; I know; but surely it's about risk, resources and priorities, and not about the classic Peter Kay line 'wash your mouth out with soap, there's a child's bicycle parked outside'
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#2 Posted : 15 December 2005 11:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
J

Are you inferring that H&S people ARE "mad regulators" then...?

Alan :-)
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#3 Posted : 15 December 2005 12:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Dunno, might be;-). No, not all the time, just talking about the occasional the bonkers conkers episode,

John
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#4 Posted : 15 December 2005 12:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Craven
Cheer up John - at least your organisation will be able to tick another of the boxes!!!!!!!!!!
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#5 Posted : 15 December 2005 12:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cathy Ricketts
This is because child protection training also covers vulnerable adults - but consideration should be given to unsupervised access. We just cover everyone in our organisation (plus CRB checks) and then its done as part of core training etc. Some employees find it useful for voluntary work that they do outside of work as they are able to evidence that they have received the training. Tick the box and carry on
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#6 Posted : 15 December 2005 12:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Hi Cathy,

We do POVA, and I have no problem with that; I cannot see any easily identifiable risk situations for children in our work,

John
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#7 Posted : 15 December 2005 12:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By bigwhistle
This is one of my pet hates; Paedophiles like Jonathon King get released early into the community and then boast about their perverted exploits but I cant take photos of my kids at sports day.

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#8 Posted : 15 December 2005 12:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
You don't say who 'the inspectors' or regulators are. In any event it is not unreasonable to request that they confirm this in writing stating their reasons. You could write to them in the first instance?
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#9 Posted : 15 December 2005 13:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cathy Ricketts
Do you take on work experience students?? that is the only possible rationale I could see and then they would be stretcing it to train everyone - I would challenge their findings
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#10 Posted : 15 December 2005 13:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Hi Ron,

The reason I don't state who they are is that I can't remember if they're called CHAI, CSCI, The Healthcare Commission or Fred Karney's army this week; I think it's CHAI but I could be wrong. Yes, I do intend to make a formal challenge on this as I am part of a group looking at our mandatory training requirements, I just sometimes feel i shouldn't have to,

John
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#11 Posted : 15 December 2005 14:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Hi Cathy,

We don't often do much with work experience; where we do I could maybe understand it, and I can see the point in selected members of our staff having CP training; for example we have bereavement cousellors. The requirement though is for all staff throughout; it's the kind of blanket unthinking application of a bureaucratic process that we're often accused of in H&S,

John
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#12 Posted : 15 December 2005 14:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cathy Ricketts
Guess its out with the pen then
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#13 Posted : 15 December 2005 16:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield
John,

Unfortunately bodies like CSCI, HCC (who replaced Chai some time ago) have a significant number of standards, your organisation may have a Provider Relationship Manager who manages the relationship with some of the bigger care providers, and it may be worth getting in touch with them. If you havent done so already, it might also be worth actually getting hold, and reading the report, as there may be some reason for what they are saying that you are not aware of. If you have read it what was the reason for putting this in the report?

Jez
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