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#1 Posted : 15 December 2005 16:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve99Jones Hi I recently visited a site where the contractor had cut off a damaged section from the bottom of an aluminium ladder. Whilst I know that this is a common practice with wooden ladders on construction sites, I was always under the impression that aluminium ladders should be discarded if damaged. Could anyone confirm if my understanding is correct and if possible point me in the direction of some guidance on this matter. Many thanks Steve
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#2 Posted : 15 December 2005 16:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jerry Lucey Aluminium ladders are usually, if not always fitted with some sort of anti slip device/ rubber ferils at the base. If the base of the ladder is cut this will remove the anti-slip device. Even if this is refitted, I feel that chopping and refixing the rubber ferils could present a liability issue in the event of these falling off/ failing/ becoming faulty in the future, resulting in an accident. These rubber devices would certainly be more prone to failing/ becoming damaged on a ladder where the bottom had been chopped off/ altered. You should also consider the risk of sharp edges created through cutting the top or bottom of the ladder as aluminium ladders are usually a sealed unit with all edges tapered off. A ladder register is always a good idea to trace ladders and the checking regime that is in place for their maintenance.
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#3 Posted : 15 December 2005 16:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Liam Mc Conalogue Ladders (all types) should be inspected and findings recorded on a regular basis and defective ladders taken out of use to also be recorded. I cannot see any manager writing in his report "ladder rung found damaged- cut off damaged rung- ladder fine now"!!! If you do perhaps a training course for the individual maybe the best solution or find another manager. Liam
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#4 Posted : 15 December 2005 16:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Skips and waste bins seem to have rubber linings - anything remotely useful thrown into them seems to bounce right back out. Very common with bent eye-bolts and ladders. Visited a site where one ladder had been thrown in the skip three times. Finally the plant safety technician fell off and broke his leg. Advised them to cut it in half -vertically - and THEN throw it in the skip. Same goes for any damaged or worn lifting gear. I don't think any damaged/repaired/modified ladder would continue to meet British Standards.
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#5 Posted : 15 December 2005 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jerry Lucey This is a very good point Merv. It should be policy on sites that lifting equipment i.e. slings, chains etc would be cut in a manner where they could not be re-used prior to being disposed of. Ladders would be cut in a manner where they could not be re-used i.e. cut in half along each rung. The same policy should be adopted for crane skips where the bottom should be cut out before they were disposed of to ensure they cannot be reused/ re-loaded. In my experiance ladders, crane skips and crane slings are the worst culprits for finding their way back into use after being disposed of.
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#6 Posted : 15 December 2005 17:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Have you never seen a safety harness sown together with wire ? Or the central buckle replaced with a plastic clip ? Or with the wearers legs not inside the harness ? Or the hard hat drilled with lots of tiny holes for ventilation ? Or the safety glasses without glasses ? A bit off the subject I know, but I was feeling nostalgic and got carried away Aaaargh Merv
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#7 Posted : 15 December 2005 22:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day Merv, How about hardhats spray painted with the wearer's team colours ?
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#8 Posted : 16 December 2005 06:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Or safety shoes with holes drilled in the bottom to let the water OUT
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#9 Posted : 16 December 2005 07:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Watts Well i'm going to throw the cat amongst the pidgeons! In an industry where class 1 ladders cost several hundred pounds it's not always practical to throw them away. Where our ladders have sustained damage to their feet and then the metal underneath, we do have the ends trimmed off and the feet reapplied; however, this is done by the manufacturer,and within the manufacturers recommendations.
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#10 Posted : 16 December 2005 16:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Talbot Jane, I agree with your approach. So long as it is done properly (squarely (when opened), refitting the feet, etc) it should not materially affect the usefulness of the ladder ... except for height of course. If I cut the damaged end off a rope, I am modifying the rope - but it is still perfectly functional for the rest of its length.
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#11 Posted : 19 December 2005 15:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Jane perfectly correct and sensible thing to do. I think that what we are on about here is unauthorised modification of work equipment by unqualified persons. Merv
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