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#1 Posted : 15 December 2005 18:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By mel russell
Hi and thanks to anyone has replied to my queries in the past. If someone at work brings in xmas lights for the office, can we just put them up or do they need to be pat tested?
thanks
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#2 Posted : 15 December 2005 18:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Red Ones
Test 'em
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#3 Posted : 15 December 2005 19:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Cooper
As he said, test em
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#4 Posted : 15 December 2005 21:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michael Griffith
Hi Mel,

If I were you I would take the advice off the other two respondees. We had an incident were someone brought in their bluetooth headset and charger, plugged it into the wall and bang!! The back flew off the charger and the ring main tripped out causing all the computers to turn off. As you can imagine those that hadn't saved thier work were not very happy.

The back of the charger flew off with some force, narrowly missing the person sat nearest to it. The downtime after the incident was a couple of hours as we had to call the electrician to check everything out.

As a result no portable electrical equipment is allowed to be plugged in until it has been tested/inspected, regardless of age or manufacturers warranty.

Play it safe and check them out.

Cheers, Mick
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#5 Posted : 15 December 2005 22:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Cooper
Just one point.
If the company then tests it, does the company then take responibility for it and in the event of an accident due to the equipment, would the company be liable?
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#6 Posted : 19 December 2005 13:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian Hagyard
Do your lights have an earth wire?

If not I suspect a pat test would be a total waste of money!

Brian
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#7 Posted : 19 December 2005 14:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nigel Hammond
Are they powered from a normal mains plug?, or are they powered from a low voltage power-adapter (say 12 or 24 Volts). If they are powered from a power adapter, I doubt whether PAT testing would be required - especially as power adapters usually have a plastic pin in place of the earth lead. I am not an expert on electrical safety. It might be worth contacting IEE, HSE or a PAT testing company for more definitive advice.
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#8 Posted : 19 December 2005 19:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Cooper
Two issues to consider
Are the lights classed as portable equipment. "equipment that is moved from one place to another". Would you move these lights.

The fact that there is no earth, does not negate the need to test, you can still do other tests like insulation resistance test, flash test, current test etc. Class 1,2 and 3 equipment all require testing if they are deemed portable appliances
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#9 Posted : 19 December 2005 21:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Gladman
Yep I agree...any appliance earthed or double insulated should be tested. If the lights are low voltage then test the transformer / adaptor. If the company allows electrical items to be brought in they are resposible for ensuring they are safe.
Get the directors to have a whip-round to buy a set after all this is the season of good will!!!!
Tony
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#10 Posted : 20 December 2005 11:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven
I would agree with the majority inthat they need to be tested.

I do however have a question that has become an issue within our office. A new kettle has been purchased due to th eold one being in a state that i would consider dangerous. An employee just coming form a H&S training course has told the staff that they are not allowed to use the kettle due to the fact that it has not been PAT tested. Does all new equipment need to be tested immediatly or can the equipment be used until the next round of testing is done in about 10 months time?

Steve
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#11 Posted : 20 December 2005 11:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fornhelper
If the lights / kettle / toaster etc. are new then they will come with some type of manufacturers warranty....in these circumstances we would ask that they are added to the register and tested when the next scheduled tesing is due.

FH

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#12 Posted : 20 December 2005 11:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Gladman
Manufacturer's warranty doesn't prove the appliance is safe.
We test everything including new.. and often found new appliances with faults.
Only takes a couple of minutes..... safeguards the user and protects the business from potential risk associated loss.
Tony
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#13 Posted : 20 December 2005 14:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Gladman
http://www.pat-testing.info/

Check out the above website...interesting training dvd if you follow the links

TG
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#14 Posted : 20 December 2005 22:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nigel Singleton BSc
Could I remind everyone that there is no legal requirement to PAT test anything at all. The duty is to maintain in a safe and efficient working manner. For a class II item which xmas lights usually are, a simple visual inspection and functionality test will be all that can be done. As suggested above in a previous response, please, please do not try to flash test xmas lights, unless you want the best light display in town for a fraction of a second. It is also pointless considering a continuity test as both wires can be either live or neutral (otherwise they would be different colours) and completing an insulation test would take hours, as you would have to clamp each inch of the cable to guarantee no leakage. Common sense would therefore indicate that the correct test would be formal visual inspection to start with and then visual thereafter (no fault - no record). With regard to testing from new, I have tested many items that were new from the box and failed them, usually on incorrect fuse rating. Again the duty is to maintain, which starts the moment it enters the business premises.
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