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#1 Posted : 20 December 2005 14:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Murphy
I am sure this has been asked before, I have read the work at height regs from back to front but just to clarify it talks about risk assessing anything work at height that could cause injury, but am i to believe that is any height, not just everything above two metres, so where does the two metre rule come in.

Sorry if you heard it all before.

Alan
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#2 Posted : 20 December 2005 15:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By David A Jones
It doesn't - the two metre rule dissapeared with the new regs.
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#3 Posted : 20 December 2005 15:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian Dunckley
The 2 metre rule applies to the requirements for inspections of work equipment
as detailed in section 12 of the regulations, if you refer to the HSE
Construction Information Sheet No 10 (Revision 4) the inspection requirement
can be appied to Tower Scaffolds.
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#4 Posted : 20 December 2005 15:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Gladman
Two metre rule regarding edge protection against falling persons or objects ~ disappeared with new working at height regs.
If working on bottom rung of step ladder or top of roof of a building... you are working at height.
TG
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#5 Posted : 20 December 2005 15:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Regulation 12-(4) States "Without prejudice to paragraph (2), every employer shall ensure that a working platform -

(a) used for construction work; and

(b) from which a person could fall 2 metres or more,

is not used in any position unless it has been inspected in that position or, in the case of a mobile working platform, inspected on the site, within the previous 7 days."

Regards Adrian Watson
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#6 Posted : 20 December 2005 15:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Murphy
Thank you very much you have made it a little clearer
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#7 Posted : 20 December 2005 15:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By David A Jones
For information, it may be worth looking at the results of the HSE consultation on the subject as part of the consultation on the new regs:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/consult/letters/falls.htm
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#8 Posted : 20 December 2005 15:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Gladman
I had an incident where an heating engineer twisted his knee in stepping off the bottom rung of a stepladder..resulting in a dislocation of the knee.
(Turned out he had damaged it playing rugby, was awaiting surgery, and had'nt advised anyone of the fact he had a weak knee).
Reported under RIDDOR.. I was bombarded with paperwork from the HSE because of the 'fall from height' and part of their working at height awareness campaign.
TG
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#9 Posted : 20 December 2005 15:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Tony

Perhaps it would have been better to call it a trip!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The old 2 metre rule was a construction anomoly designed to say originally that if you meet this then you are not in breach of the legislation - the old construction (working places) regulations and subsequently re-iterated in a form in the CHSW regs. I am at a loss as to why the new regs still brought it in any form whatsoever.

Bob
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#10 Posted : 20 December 2005 16:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Dear Bob,

Read the when lifting equipment isn't lifting equipment thread, and the slight diversion into the work at height regulations.

These goal setting regulations are fun aren't they?

Regards Adrian
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#11 Posted : 20 December 2005 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
Didn't we hear that riding a police horse was not considered to be WAH ? the 18 hands rule.
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#12 Posted : 20 December 2005 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
The civil servants involved clearly have a banal sense of humour to keep placing these things before us. The real horror is that they think they are serious. It is like the Dangerous Occurrence list - The overturn of an FLT is reportable but please note a telehandler is not an FLT as these have a specific description of their own that is different to an FLT. Also define overturn - does it include fall onto its side?

I try to keep out of some of these but I cannot always resist it.

Bob
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#13 Posted : 20 December 2005 20:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
Falls from less than 1 metre, apply common scence? control measures, typpe of task to be carried out, time for the task to be completed.
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#14 Posted : 23 December 2005 00:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kevin Forbes
high heals working at height?

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#15 Posted : 23 December 2005 09:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By James M
Kevin
If you wear high heels and need to risk assess this as working at height, please feel free!!!!!!!!
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#16 Posted : 23 December 2005 10:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By George Wedgwood
I would like to see the risk assessment for electricians and plasterers working off stilts!!
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#17 Posted : 23 December 2005 10:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By James M
Back to the original question.

If you work in construction the CHSW regs 96 state that you should risk assess and prevent falls. (no height). If you work in other fields of employment, then so far as reasonably practicable you should ensure the health safety and welfare of your employees (and others)HSW Act 74.

Employees have been seriously injured and employers have been prosecuted for falls from height less than 2m with on one occasion, the coroner condemning the guidance given by the HSE (the old 2m rule)


To summarise, since 1974 all employers should have been taking measures to eliminate or minimise the risk of falls from height, so far is reasonably practicable.
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