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#1 Posted : 22 December 2005 18:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By derek mc
Engineer powers down machine. Checks for dead etc. Opens cabinet. Connects up proper test leads to terminals in cabinet. Erects barrier 3 feet from open doors. Puts up signage etc. Powers on system and checks voltage on meter from outwith the barrier. Is this working live?
This is causing some debate. Can anyone help. I have checked acops and I belieeve this not to be live working.

Thanks
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#2 Posted : 22 December 2005 23:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor
A problem with Regulation 14 to the EAW Regs seems to be that it refers to working 'on or near' uninsulated conductors. I am not aware of a suitable definition of 'near' but take it that the risk of associated injury is a determining factor. Perhaps one of our readers has some information on how this has been interpreted? In the circumstances to which you refer there will be questions as to the nature of the environment, the current involved, adequacy of the protective barrier, types of persons in the vicinity, etc - which would necessitate risk assessment and adequate control measures irrespective of whether the operation is strictly 'live working'. I have taken it that your references to powering down include isolation of the supply.
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#3 Posted : 23 December 2005 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken C
Derek

Anything that involves live electrical systems is working live. However, when I worked for an M&E contractor the disgnostic testing (to which I think you are referrring to here) was covered directly by the 16th Edition.

What you need to do is place a robust risk assessment and safe system of work in place. I know, teaching you to suck eggs etc.

I have a copy of what was done previously, with HSE assistance and would be happy to e-mail you if requested. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me at work today.

For guidance, we considered an operative to working on or near an electrical system if there were less than two physical barriers between them and the conductor. Using the metal armouring around the cable as one, and the metal conduit as two. Plastic conduit was not counted unless there was clearly no chance of it being compromised.

Contacts within the equipment usually have some sort of shielding/guarding so perhaps this can be used as one of the barriers?

I hope that helps.

Ken C.

Bored at work because I had to turn up with nothing to do...

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#4 Posted : 23 December 2005 10:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By derek mc
Thnaks for the help so far. After looking at the risk and controls presently in place I am going to treat it as live working. Thanks for the advice and help. Merry Christmas and a Great New Year.
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