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#1 Posted : 01 January 2006 10:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By jom
In a thread started by Charles, "Dearth of OHS Law and regs", he raised the question of over-abundance of laws and regs. ("Dearth"?)

I'm in Victoria, OZ, and we're getting a bright new OHS Act this year. It's on order and will be delivered July 1.

The trend here is reduced prescriptive regulation, and increased self-regulation. I've wondered how we compare to other nations/states.

Has anyone ever weighed the OHS laws and regs for their jurisdiction?

Is that a whacky idea? (Yes)

I'm just thinking it'd be a crude way of comparing the quantity of laws between jurisdictions. Could be instructive.

How large is the pronciple UK OHS Act?

John.
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#2 Posted : 01 January 2006 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
John

An interesting approach! The 1974 Act weighs 200 grammes as originally printed by HMSO and cost £1.50.

Paul
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#3 Posted : 01 January 2006 12:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson
About 12 Kg
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#4 Posted : 01 January 2006 13:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By jom
Paul is leading at 200 gramme. At Pnd1.50, what a bargain.

Adrian's just being silly.

Any increases on 200 g?

You can include regs. Codes of Practice don't count. Has to be law.

John.
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#5 Posted : 01 January 2006 13:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
John

Unfortunately, apart from the Act, I always get the ACoP or guidance so I can't add anymore to your quest.

Paul
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#6 Posted : 01 January 2006 13:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By jom
Paul,

>Unfortunately, apart from the Act, I always get >the ACoP or guidance so I can't add anymore to >your quest.

No Problem. Tis a silly quest.

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#7 Posted : 01 January 2006 13:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Unfortunately, I wish I was being silly! Go to a library and ask for Sweet and Maxwell’s encyclopaedia of Health and Safety law and practice, it’s about 12 kg in total with no acops.

Regards Adrian
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#8 Posted : 01 January 2006 16:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
SORRY, Please note THE ASHES ONLY WEIGHS 3ozs and is only 4 inches in height.

This small thing can reduce a country to its knees. ITS OURS and you are not getting it back.

So how big is yours.
Signed a BIG Pommy B***T*£!
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#9 Posted : 02 January 2006 04:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day

Not sure, how much does three CD's weigh (Full of data of course) ???

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#10 Posted : 02 January 2006 08:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By jom
>encyclopaedia of Health and Safety law and >practice, it’s about 12 kg in total with no >acops.

Good grief. Sounds like a health hazard all on its own.

I think the computer age has wrecked my quest. How does one weigh a pdf file?

John.

PS - Have you Brits checked, really checked, what's in that little urn? Maybe we've still got the ashes.
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#11 Posted : 02 January 2006 11:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
The urn is with us and will stay with us FOREVER!!!!!
If you have access to the internet then the weight of all H&S documents will be stored else, outsource the risk!!!!
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#12 Posted : 02 January 2006 16:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett
OK folks - for what it's worth, I don't believe that how heavy in the physical sense the legislation [or the Ashes] matters; it's the balance presented between the following that really counts:-
How easy is the legislation to actually understand when taken as a composite bundle?
Are the legislative targets fixed or forever moving ever tighter due to a range of imperatives outside the control of those being "enforced"?
How easy it is to really meet the targets for everyone concerned?
What mechansism to ensure an even, equitable enforcement regime is put in place and maintained?
Are the politicians kept away from the sytem once it's been set up? If not, what checks and balances are put in place to ensure that the "improvements" are never for political gain?
Are there sufficient incentives built into the legislation [not the tinkering with the process of enforcement] to persuade all but the most recalcitrant employer/self-employed person to do more than give it simple lip-service when questioned by the enforcing body as to what they do?
Is there an absolutely independant system of appeals and overseeing of the system [similar to the UK PCC]?

Yes, it's still curmudgeonly "Bah, Humbug". I've just read the latest missives from the nearest thing to a professional body for my status that I can find - The Federation of Small Businesses - and whilst I don't support much of the politics they espouse; they've definitely got the above right in their sights.

Frank Hallett
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