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#1 Posted : 09 January 2006 10:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Whitehead We have recently been organising our management of personnel exposed to vibrating hand tools. A number of those involved have been requesting anti-vibration gloves but it is my belief that they offer no extra protection and that keeping the hands warm along with good management are the best solutions. Does anyone have any comments on the effectiveness of these gloves?
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#2 Posted : 09 January 2006 11:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Wakeham You are right in your statement about them offering little or no extra protection. One of the major vibrating tool manufacturers actually stated on a training course that they can make things worse. The reason being is that they are very thick and the operator then grips the machine harder, with the result being more vibration is transferred to them. I would foucs on good management, and trying to either reduce exposure times, or talking to you machine manufacturers and seeing if they have anti vibration handles or other controls such as this which are more effective.
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#3 Posted : 09 January 2006 11:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Walker The HSE commissioned a study through HSL in July 1995 on the testing of anti-vibration gloves. Following this the HSE went public stating there is no evidence to suggest that such gloves reduce vibration levels. Gloves are needed to keep the hands warm as this helps the circulation. Pete
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#4 Posted : 09 January 2006 11:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By FJ I totally agree with the above. There are alot of cowboys out there touting for business-please ask us on the forum for advice before spending loads... So called "anti-vibration gloves" have very limited benefits- many only work over a small frequency range or require extra grip so making things worse. Cheap, bulk-standard "woolie mits" are far better IF used in conjunction with a management plan
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#5 Posted : 09 January 2006 11:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By bigwhistle Its true although there is an ISO for AV gloves it is outweighed by the fact you have to grip equipment harder.
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#6 Posted : 09 January 2006 11:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By I H I have a glove that measures the vibration levels as people use different tools and alerts the use as they approach various thresholds. A sort of vibration dose meter. You need to really look at the tool and duration of exposure rather than PPE.
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#7 Posted : 09 January 2006 11:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Wakeham can you provide a bit more detail on this glove please, as i am often asked how can i accurately measure exposure levels and if this works it apprears to be a good option
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#8 Posted : 09 January 2006 17:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By bigwhistle Where do they sell this magic glove it sounds too good to be true.
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#9 Posted : 09 January 2006 17:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pope A specialist HSE vibration inspector told us that the gloves work only on the sort of frequencies experienced by dentists when drilling teeth. I don't want my dentist wearing them !
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#10 Posted : 09 January 2006 19:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH Compensation claims are up due to HAVS, golves are waste of time. If user has HAVS why use gloves after the horse has bolted?
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#11 Posted : 10 January 2006 11:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis I have to agree that the use of av gloves has litle actual benefit but they do provide a psychological boost to incentivise their use by an operative. The sheer cost of the gloves can focus management attention on solving the problem. I have found the best is produced by Ansell Edmont, excuse the advert! as it is very flexible and waterpoof coated. It is good enough to ski in!!! and therefore one can guess why I have seen it preferred by many operatives. As most have said it is the warmth issue that is the key to this along with decent planning of the work. Bob
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#12 Posted : 10 January 2006 13:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By I H For those interested in the Magic Glove, its a prototype, which is quite neat. I don't know what detail people want, but it is claimed to measure in accourdance with the BS so far as practicable and does a tri axis measurement. Its not entirely to the BS, but it measures the vibration at the point of use. Change tool and the equipment is still monitoring the dose so you can keep changing tool and hey presto, light comes on when you have over dosed. Bit difficult to use after switching on, time issues, but the principal is good. Next generation is data logging so you can prove exposure for every employee, so long as they wear the kit. Battery pack on a belt and a few ub-obtusive wires to the glove. Very cheap compared to carrying out vibration studies. Cant tell you much more, various issues as the kit is not ready for the market yet. Those who have shown an interest, I'll email you directly if the guy is ok, maybe set up a secondary trial if you are lucky. IH
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#13 Posted : 10 January 2006 14:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte Can you tell me company who is looking at developing/marketing this glove as I too would be interested
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#14 Posted : 09 February 2006 10:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Trevor Muddimer There is a related debate at: www.iosh.co.uk/index.cfm...iew&Forum=1&Thread=17815
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#15 Posted : 09 February 2006 12:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Don't forget to revisit all your MH RA's if you do decide to provide gloves for any reason - they really do adversely affect the abilkity to control the tools. Frank Hallett
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#16 Posted : 09 February 2006 12:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett And the keyboard! Frank Hallett
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#17 Posted : 04 March 2006 06:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Antony McManus They dont work Tony Mc
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#18 Posted : 04 March 2006 18:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham Richard Another management solution you may have missed is to try redesign the work to require less 'hand-tool work'. Spend a day with the guys with any type of gloves on, in the cold, with hand tools and I am sure your managers will come up with alternatives!
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#19 Posted : 05 March 2006 06:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gareth Williams Frank..............Love it!
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#20 Posted : 06 March 2006 11:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Lewis We do a great deal of hand polishing and i am presently looking for an improved glove for our polishers to use. As somebody has already said, the front runner at the moment is a simple kinitted cotton glove on both user approval and life span. A kevlar/leather mix glove lasted a long, long time but as has been mentioned some users found it to be too thick resulting in them holding it a lot tighter. The polishing mops we use are usually about 300mm diameter and run at about 3000rpm. I am told that a much larger mop, maybe 1000mm diameter, running much slower gets as good a finish and is less likely to snag the user. Does anyone know where I can get such a mop and the corresponding spindle? Best Regards John
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#21 Posted : 06 March 2006 12:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kelvin Those vibration monitoring gloves sound great. It would be particularly helpful in determining exposure with hand held tools. It is near imposible to get accurate exposure levels when considering cutting rebar on site for 5 seconds at a time, changing to circular saw for 20 secs and continuing this process throughout the day using other tools. Anybody else had problems of documenting exposure. Are your guys considering exposure each and every time they use their tools? Kelvin
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