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#1 Posted : 12 January 2006 12:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim-F we have a 5mph speed limit on site but a contractor has recently told us heavy duty fork lifts cant do 5mph without cutting out and damaging the engine, I find this astonishingly hard to believe, has anyone heard of this and where can i find info on it.
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#2 Posted : 12 January 2006 12:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Sanders Jim I don't know about trucks cutting out a low speed, but when setting speed limits you need to be realistic. In my experience,- mostly constructions sites - limits below 10 mph are impossible to control and below 20 mph difficult. Steve
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#3 Posted : 12 January 2006 13:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric Taylor He's talking nionsense. I'd love to see him pick up a pallet of bricks at more than 5 MPH. Ask him for a copy of the manufacturers hand book for the FLT. i am sure it will contain a Max-Min speed in each gear. If not, approach the manufacturer yourself for info. I would agree 5 mph is a bit low. provided the roadway is suitable, 10-15 seems more reasonable.
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#4 Posted : 12 January 2006 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Mycroft Personally I also think 5mph is a bit too low unless gound conditions or space constraints wont allow more. We operate 10mph speed limits on our sites and that is typical of transport interchanges throughout the country. Yes it is difficult to enforce, but we carry out checks using speed cameras and enforce it through the bus operator's disiplinary procedure. We allow a tolerance of 10% + 2mph so we don't expect displinary action to be taken until drivers excede 13mph. Our compliance within these tolerances is around 90% of services monitored.
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#5 Posted : 12 January 2006 16:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer I had similar issues in a previous role, we had drivers constantly breaching safety rules by speeding (in warehouse type environment). I intended to put speed restrictors to engineer the risk out, Senior Management refused, so procedures reviewed, refresher training and disciplinary action was instilled to punish blatant offenders. The company thus was subjected to a high turnover of drivers (and no wonder!) Fast forward 18 months later, as a result of a non FLT related accident investigation, the HSE noted the travelling speeds of these drivers and issued a Improvement Notice. Senior management sat up and listened, yes sir three bags full! Speed restrictors were fitted & speed limits reduced to approx 8 mph, result much safer environment and improvement notice closed out. Was everyone happy, No - Employees moaned cos they couldn't do the job within the time restraints they wanted back to the original speeds, nor could they utilise the FLT hydraulics effectively (reduced speed = slower hydraulics) and Senior Management moaned cos the product wasn't getting out the door quick enough. Guess who gets it in the neck, and ordered to get back to original speeds Needless to say, I decided to move onwards (now in a FLT free zone). I would now say, FLT's - avoid em' like the plague, less hassle
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#6 Posted : 12 January 2006 16:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman FLTs, you can't avoid them in most factories, so you have to learn to love em. Make your truckies proud to be recognised as safe drivers. And I always tell them it is better to aim for the tibia than the ankle. Keep the tips of the forks or the front of the load a good foot (30 cm) from floor level. Apparantly a broken leg hurts less than a broken ankle. Merv
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#7 Posted : 13 January 2006 08:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Mycroft Alexander Speed retarders are OK in some environments, But when you have passenger carrying vehicles vertical calming can cause injuries, especially when elderly people stand up before the vehicle has stopped. If we do use retarders we go for horizontal calming such as pinch points and chicanes (although these too can have problems). Another measure that we looking at are the electronic speed warning signs, similar to the ones used on highways, that flash up the vehicles speed.
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#8 Posted : 13 January 2006 08:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer Ian My previous employer was a large food packaging and distribution company in which over 250 employees worked within same area as 10 odd or so FLT's. Despite the usual segregation control measures, barriers, lines, speed controls, additional training, threat of disciplinary measures etc, etc. These drivers still thought they were Michael Schumacher, Drivers were disciplined on a regular basis for breaching safety rules, etc, etc. They just didn't care, and moved onwards, etc, etc. Due to high turnover of drivers, HR recruited on a regular basis with the concept as long as you have a licence your hired - some of these drivers I wouldn't even entertain, however production & senior management pressures prevailed all the time (I know of drivers who walked out after 10mins in the job) I suppose it was the nature of the job & the company culture which was established long before I started (I was employed with this company for 3 1/2 years before departing for personal and moral reasons) I suppose there are other like minded individuals who share similar experiences. A
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#9 Posted : 13 January 2006 08:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter MacDonald Try driving an HGV at 5mph without feathering the clutch in first gear all the time. It's almost impossible to do. 5 mph is unrealistic for many vehicles and in most cases a speed dial doesn't show 5mph. If you segregate traffic and pedestrians 15 to 20 mph should suffice. Pete
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