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Posted By Frank Hallett
Dear All
I have just come across the two gems below and thought that they exemplify a great many of the issues that we attempt to address on a day-to-day basis on this and similar Forums. There is a presumption that the content of the articles is accurate, but it's beyond my ability to confirm.
The first one is of interest 'cos it's the DTI and not a body with specific H&S involvement & expertise such as the HSE for instance!
The second is a classic example of it not being the legislation but the way in which it's applied.
"19 Jan Evening Standard, p29: It is noted that the DTI have published Assessment of Leaning Ladder Safety devices".
"20 Jan - The Times (T2), p7: In trying to get his council to remove graffiti a man was told that he had the wrong type of graffiti for removal and a ladder could not be used because of health and safety regulations".
Any thoughts?
Don't blame me - I'm only the messenger.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Jane Watts
Well the HSE often fund other people to write and co-ordinate papers for them. I guess the issue comes down to the part in the WAH regs which requires manufacturers to provide 'effective' systems, i.e. stability devices, ladder leaning systems etc. I expect there has been some concern regarding whether a lot of these systems are really 'effective' and the DTI have an interest in product misrepresentation.
I would expect they have employed an 'expert' to carry out any technical assessments.
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Posted By peter gotch
Frank
DTI responsible for home safety issues. As the report comments - 50 deaths a year - a lot more than resulting from ladders at the workplace.
Regards, Peter
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Thank you Jane & Peter
You answers are extremely perceptive and accurate. My underlying point is that I don't believe that there is a comparable INDG or HSG for the use of ladders at work. Poorly worded initial post - sorry.
Has anyone read the 2nd statement yet?
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Brett Day
Wrong type of graffiti, sounds like wrong type of snow or leaves on the line.
As for the DTI I have a copy of the DTI Ladder users handbook, it's actually a very good practical document both on use and also the consumer protection side in as much as it gives the classes of ladders and what they mean in plain english. If the mentioned publication is as good I'll be getting a copy.
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Hi Brett - it's an excellent document and written with avery wide readability factor.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Jane Watts
the HSE also have training slides 'the safe selection and use of ladders'. We have run with this in our workplace and it's been well received and provided lots of information on acceptable use of ladders for difference work scenarios.
I suspect the 'wrong type of graffiti' comes down to whether the work is considered 'light work'. If you look at the HSE's advice, any work off a ladder should be 'light', this means that if an employee has to exert any pressure to do the job, i.e. increased upper body exertion in this case to scrub wall, then this is not light work and should not be done off a ladder but another access system, i.e. scaffold.
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