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Posted By Chas
A child falls over in the playground at playtime and fractures a leg. The playground is in good condition and levels of supervision are appropriate. Is this reportable to HSE, bearing in mind the HSE's own guidance in the Education Information Sheet No1 (rev 1)which says that playground accidents due to collisions, slips, trips and falls are not normally reportable. Does the fact that the leg was fractured mean that the accident automatically becomes reportable?
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Posted By Catman
Hi Chas
My reading of 'not normally reportable' is because the accident involves a member of the public in the workplace. Therefore, if the member of public (child) was taken to hospital, then the accident is reportable.
So, yes. I think.
Catman
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Posted By Bob Thompson CMIOSH
To draw a comparison if the situation related to a service user in a local authority establishment, then if there were no causative factor to the fall then it would not be reportable , but if the fall were as a result of say a poorly maintained surface then it would.eg fell over due to age and frailaty would not. slipped on wet patch on floor would.
The same principals apply to your case. The general rule is if unsure report anyway.
RegardsBob
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Posted By terry mallard
Not reportable-it is not out of or in connection with your work activity-over reporting wastes enforcers time as well as yours and only will go on national stats as non reportable.
That apart it may be school policy to report,
Same would be if little johnny decided to hit little sue and sue was taken to hospital. non reportable.
Accidents do happen at play-this is not a perfect world nor do we in enforcment seek such a world?
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Posted By Margaret Baxter
I would ask your local authority if they need it reporting for insurance purposes though - the child can still try to sue the school in years to come as, before the fracture, he/she was a budding ballerina/footballer/model etc.
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Posted By Michael Hayward
Look on the HSE web site
EDS1(rev1) or e-mail me direct, I have it on PDF
Its all about reporting accidents in schools
Cheers
Mick
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Posted By Jack
Not reportable to HSE.
May need to be reported to LEA (assuming LEA is employer).
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Posted By Zyggy Turek
I agree - given the scenario - not reportable under RIDDOR.
However, I would expect an internal accident report form just in case liability claims are made in the future.
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Posted By Stephen D. Clarke
Interesting - At the back of IOSH's The Principles of H&S at Work the following self-assessment question is asked "A child falls in a caravan park while playing football and is taken to hospital by his parents. Examination reveals no damage other than a twisted knee and the child is discharged - Reportable or not under RIDDOR?
IOSH's answer YES it is reportable.
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Posted By Ron Impey If the establishment was a residential special school (or perhaps a children's home) there would be non-RIDDOR reporting requirements under the relevent national minimum standards. These require notification of any serious accident involving a child, including those that did not involve the child being taken to hospital for treatment. In these circumstances (in England) the accident is notifiable to the National Care Standards Commission, the local social services authority, the Department for Education and Skills, the placing authority and, for maintained schools, the responsible local education authority. The other Nations have similar requirements. http://www.csci.org.uk/i...ional_minimum_standards/
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Posted By Saracen11
If everything is in order as you suggest ie. levels of supervision, RA's, suitable floor covering that's well maintained etc... then you have done everything AFARP to prevent this type of forseeable incident. I'd say it is a 'Natural life event' and therefore not reportable.
People (even children), with suitable control measures should be allowed to take risks... how can we develop otherwise?
Regards
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Posted By JWG
Just to throw a couple of slightly different scenarios into the equation, what if the child fractured her leg whilst taking part in a PE lesson:
1. There was no other causes other than accidental.
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2. Gym floor matt slips and it was noted that was preventable and systems have since changed to reduce the risk(happened to a friends child).
Thanks
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Posted By Richard Altoft
RIDDOR 3(1)(c) applies - reportable
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Posted By Jack
In both cases reportable.
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