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Posted By Darren Chandler
Any suggestions please?
Upon a detailed investigation into an employee losing part of their finger tip in a doorway I am a little hesitant on the corrective action...
Detail: Opening and holding a large heavy fire door open to go through it the employees hand moved towards the hinge area of the door and the closing action of the door sliced off the tip of the finger.
The door is large and heavy with a built in return arm integrated into it, all materials, environment (lighting ect.) are in order.
It appears to be a lapse of attention, now do I recommend a protective curtain like you see in Pizza Hut to prevent this happening again or a temporary stay on the wall that holds the door open for a limit amount of time?
If I do make these recommendations, the whole building will need the same.
The only other reason I may say this door in particular needs some protection is due to its frequent use.
Any ideas please.
Darren
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
is it possible to leave the door open and attach the door to the fire alarm on a fail safe system?
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Posted By Tim
Just wondering,
Which is the corrective action finger? Could do with one of those!
: )
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Posted By RP
I would say that this will be Tolerable Risk if you do the sums. Pizza Hut and McDonald did it from HSE Advice, as did many others where children were the highest risk group.
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Posted By Robert (Rod) Douglas Hi Folks, Go to this Web Site www.fingersafe.comThis is a brilliant piece of kit that will stop all fingers or anything else getting caught in doors. Aye, Rod D
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Posted By David A Jones
Look at it from the reasonably practicable point of view.
You identify that if you do something on this door then you have to do it on numerous other doors - look at the costs of the various options and then compare this against the risk of this occurring - assuming the door is not defective and is of 'normal' design then I suspect that you could argue it is not reasonably practicable to undertake modifications (however, note I have not seen the door or looked at the cost of various options)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Interesting that you describe the door as heavy. Even the biggest, heaviest door, if correctly hung should be capable of opening with only moderate effort. Is the door closer in need of adjustment? Is this 'heavy' aspect a contributory factor?
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Posted By Jerry Lucey
Hi Darren,
I am probably oversimplfying this but the first thing I would do is carry out a detailed risk assessment as an incident has occured but you need to work out the foreseeable injury, ie if this was to happen again could it foreseeably result in a more serious injury. The least serious foreseeable injury would be the one you describe as this has already happened so evidence would suggest that it is foreseeable. You also need to check the liklihood of the incident resulting in the injury re-curring.
This is important as you will need this to work out reasonably practicable measures. I was interested in a comment by Jonathon Sandler on another post suggesting that what is enacted in Ireland is likely to eventually follow in the UK. It might be worth reading the definition of reasonably practicable in the Safety, Health & Welfare at Work Act 2005.
If you are requiring an investment in control measures it always helps if you can present hard facts in the form of a risk assessment in order to justify the cost of such measures.
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Posted By Maggie Atterbury
Hi Darren
Can you adjust the door closer so that it shuts more slowly, giving less sheering action and more time to remove fingers
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Posted By Ian Waldram
In our new primary school, about to be opened for first use, I noticed that all doors have a simple plastic hinged guard which prevents anything entering the hinge area where it can be trapped as a door closes. I thought this a clever new idea - but when I looked in the old school they're there too - just so unobtrusive you don't see them!
I guess the 'fingerguard' device mentioned above is similar. When adults are involved, probably not justified for all doors? - hence the need for a risk assessment.
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Posted By Darren Chandler
To all,
many thanks for your responses, this has been my first thread on the IOSH site and it has been a wealth of information and thought provoking.
regards,
Darren
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Posted By Saracen11
I go with Maggie on this one.
The door should close in a controlled and smooth manner. If it's closing with enough speed to cause the injury you describe i.e. the person didn't have sufficient time to use the door safely, I'd have the initial installation/maintenance people look at it and adjust it. Afterall, a fire door should allow persons to use it without being throw into next week... imagine a person in a wheelchair trying to use this one?
Other postings correctly state the door closing speed can be altered. I'd look at this before applying any further preventative measures... it's always there to fall back on!
Regards
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Posted By Frank Hallett
What Jonathon said in the first response is best, provided that there isn't any other relevant info not disclosed.
It also saves on door maintenence, people damage [don't forget manual handling], and property damge to items being moved.
Frank Hallett
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