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Posted By Richard Spencer
On becoming a Chartered Member of IOSH we received a certificate stating 'chartered member’ and a small lapel badge. We are also advised this gives us the privilege of using the title of 'chartered safety and health practitioner'.
May I make the suggestion that a separate certificate be made available for those that wish to receive/purchase with the title as described above, written on that certificate.
This as it were would then become the formal 'practice certificate' for chartered members.
By example, I recently became a Fellow of Institution of Mechanical Engineers and had the option of having a Calligraphic certificate of this achievement for additional £20 sterling; the Engineering Council Engineer Classification is described on the same certificate.
I am of the view the formal practice certificate is now warranted and I asked that IOSH give consideration to this and seek those concerned to support the proposal as I believe it is a missing part of this important award.
Richard CMIOSH
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
interesting point, a practice certificate, is this just for all chartered members, what about there other grades of members?
regards
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Posted By Brett Day
Not a bad idea, beats trusting HR with my membership cert or card. Did that before and they lost my membership card, fortunately only a few weeks before my new card was due.
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Hi Brett,
Why did HR keep your very personal card that only applies to you? I can understand the need for a centrally held copy, but not the original.
In case it has to do with the employer funding part or all, it still doesn't matter - it is yours alone.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
Interesting point Frank has made, If you have a driving licence do HR hold that as well?
Would it be possible for IOSH to provide second cert?
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Posted By Merv Newman
Good post. Yes, a document incorporating the words "Chartered Safety Practitioner" is a very good idea. Gets my vote.
As for the card, I consider this to be my personal means of identifying myself. Should I (ever) turn up at a regional meeting, as a first timer, I would expect someone to ask to verify it. So it is always in my wallet. And I'm proud to have it with me.
Why am I on this site at 18h sunday ? Well, the duck has another hour or so to cook. (10 minutes till I have to check it) My wife is checking over my latest audit report before I e-mail it to the client. Everything is up-to-date and I've got a whole hour to myself.
Hope there is some more fun stuff on the chat show this evening
Merv
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Posted By steven bentham
We could have a special hand-shake as well, this will enable us to recognise each other at meetings!!
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Posted By Brett Day
Frank, they wanted a photocopy of it for records, I took it in when I went into the office, dropped it of with HR, went and spoke to a collegue, came back to HR half hour later and they managed to lose it !!
My response was a little tongue in cheek, but do think it would be a good idea to have a 'corporate' cert.
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
what practical reason is there for having a practice certificate, we are already issued with new chartered status certificate.
Regatds
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Nice on Brett.
Always keep at least one pertinant fact back for later!
Still, it's still an indictment of the system.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Jack
I'm not really sure what you are after, Richard. Surely the bit of paper we received was the formal certificate? Are you asking for a 'calligraphic' version or have I missed the point?
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Posted By Richard Spencer
My point is, the title 'chartered safety & health practitioner’ could have been incorporated underneath the membership category so that the title we are told we can use would then be described in one document. As this was not done, the IOSH may in there wisdom decide to strike a separate practice certificate with the appropriate inscription.
It then becomes abundantly clear for all, the source of the title by which one is known without having to explain it.
I gave an example where this has been adopted and works well in another institution.
The additional comment is that IMechE provide at reasonable cost a more elaborate document if so desired.
Richard
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Posted By Peter Longworth
First it was the badge that looked a bit naff, now the certificate doesn't look important enough. How can we expect other people to take health and safety seriously when IOSH treat the CMIOSH's like this.
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Posted By Max Bancroft
I think the original post was correct. In the "good old days", you got a separate RSP certificate when you got on to the Register. Now RSP + MIOSH have been rolled together into CMIOSH plus (full words no FLA) Chartered Safety and Health Practitioner there should be a certificate to record this and I think it should be the C/F/MIOSH cert since you can't be one without the other (unlike old MIOSH/RSP)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
My certificate says 'Chartered Member' on it; is that not enough?
Paul
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Posted By Max Bancroft
It probably needs something like "and is entitled to use the designation Chartered Safety and Health Practitioner"
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Posted By Ron Young
My initial reaction to Richards post was why? However, there is merit to his proposal and it would negate any confusion from potential employers over who is called what. I am all for it.
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Posted By Philip Roberts
Before issuing new enhanced certificates it would be nice to get the original I have been waiting a month for. When are they to be issued for those of us who became Chartered Members on the 1st January 2006?
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Phil Roberts CMIOSH (minus certificate)
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Posted By Hazel Harvey
All,
We have been discussing this particular issue but as yet haven't a firm plan so I will feed your comments back to the Professional Committee. One of the issues you haven't touched on is linking the issue of a certificate to the completion of a CPD cycle. How would you feel about a 'Chartered Safety and Health Practitoner' on a three yearly basis with dates relating to the CPD cycle?
Hazel Harvey
Director of Professional Affairs
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Posted By Mark Talbot
Hazel, that is a good suggestion - so long as I don't have to keep paying extra for it.
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
Hazel,
There are 2 issues I read into your question
1. Are you now asking if we would like to extend the CPD period from 2 to 3 years?
2. Would we like to have a renewable certificate as well as a renewable membership card?
3. Would there be a price increase in your proposal, or can members pay for the special practice certificate, thread related.
Either way is good with me.
Regards.
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Posted By David Kimmins
Hazel
I too am confused. Currently I have to complete the 2 (or 3?) year CPD cycle to maintain my chartered member status, which by default makes me a Chartered Safety & Health Practitioner by default.
Now you are bringing up that this secondary title (could) be dependant on completion of a CPD cycle.
Is this not a moot point unless I could become a chartered member, yet not be a Chartered Safety & Health Practitioner? Is this what you are suggesting, a return to the MIOSH or MIOSH & RSP days?
If not, lets not have the wasted admin cost of a new addendum certificate at regular intervals.
David
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Posted By Frank Hallett
I think that the principle of linking the Chartered members [that's both Fellows & Members] CPD requirement to the official statement of their status is inevitable and there isn't really any valid arguement to put against it.
After all, how you can defend a Chartered member who fails to maintain CPD but still retains an apparently valid Certificate in Chartered status?
Remember that defendable credibility is really important; and this principle will assist rather than detract from it.
Note to IOSH Financial dept - NO, I won't pay any more for it.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By J Knight
Why can't the membership card do this? It's free, very small, and issued once a year so out of date cards are very easy to spot,
John
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Posted By ITK
I think a certificate confirming CMIOSH Chartered Safety and health Practitioner status with an expiry date on it would be a good idea, what would stop persons withdrawing from IOSH or more importantly CPD, but still pointing to the certificate in the folder, or on the wall as being chartered and "competent".
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Posted By Max Bancroft
Can a prospective empoyer/client email HQ and say Joe Bloggs (who has applied for a job/is a H&S consultant) states he is a C/M/FIOSH and get confirmation?
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Posted By David Kimmins
I agree with the last few posters, here is my summary
1) You are either chartered or you're not, you don't get one title to keep and another one on a recurring basis, Frank (eating duck now I guess) is right, where is the credibility in that.
2) The membership card which we get each year states our current status.
3) Either send out an additional certificate once only with the secondary title on it, or send a replacement certifcate with the correction on once only. I never got an new RSP certificate every 2 years nor a new MIOSH certifcate every 2 years.
4) Employers should always check references and claims of membership of a body with said body.
5) Why waste money
David
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Posted By Stupendous Man
Hazel,
I think it is an excellent idea that certificates are issued on a periodic basis in order to easily demonstrate continued competence. This should extend to all membership grades where CPD is mandatory.
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
In reply to the thread can an employer confirm the mebership status of ...... I think the answer is yes they can.
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Response to [or actually a question for] David Kimmins:-
What's the comment about Duck supposed to be David? No I'm not being antagonistic - I would really like to know.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By David Kimmins
Frank
Confused you for Merv, Merv stated he was cooking a duck earlier in the thread. Said it would be ready in an hour.
David
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Posted By Frank Hallett
S'OK Dave. Does that mean that the rest of the comment is Merv's as well?
Shame, I really like Duck!
Frank Hallett
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Posted By David Kimmins
Frank
All credit goes to you for your credibility statement.
I can only offer my sincere apologies to both you and Merv for confusing those who were eating duck and those who would have liked to eat duck.
David
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Posted By Richard Spencer
Hazel
The Chartered Safety and Health Practitioner is a title granted on being eligible for Chartered Status with IOSH. That is to say, ‘meet certain conditions for chartered membership’.
My view is, making the Chartered Practitioner a periodic practice certificate makes it more like a certificate of competency and less like a document proclaiming a professional level of OHS achievement, recognised by IOSH.
Question: is the online CPD program up and running; if so can you email me the link?
Thanks Hazel.
Richard
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Posted By Jim Walker
Certificate idea sounds OK to me.
What I would really really like (and willing to pay for) is a better card to carry in my wallet preferably with photo ID.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Just to clarify Hazel's comment - yes the new CPD scheme is a 3 year 30 point cycle.
I also think the certificate of practice is a good idea and matches well with many other bodies such as the Law Society et al. One thought though is the cost of this provision. Perhaps though it would remove the need for people to see our membership number on our certificates and who then use it elsewhere illicitly. It could be replaced by a practice register number which is only used in this one context.
Bob
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Posted By Frank Hallett
This idea is rapidly evolving to the point that "those who make decisions" on behalf of IOSH the Professional Body will be able to present it for consultation with very little need to fiddle with it.
I've changed my mind - I will pay a modest additional sum if whatever is produced embodies Robert Lewis suggestion.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By ITK
I am willing to pay a small additional fee for updating of said certificate on a 3 year basis, however would the increase in subscriptions since going chartered not cover this?
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Posted By Richard Spencer
Clearly there is support for this type of document and I therefore urge IOSH executive to place this on an agenda for discussion as soon as possible.
I was however under the impression there was a register of Chartered Safety and Health Practitioners.
As previously suggested I would support an option be give to a calligraphically written document for those who wish to have a better quality certificate and for which a small fee would be payable.
Richard
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Richard is clearly too modest to mention the posting made on the membership issues forum.
All Chartered members with a view on this please go there.
Bob
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