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#41 Posted : 03 February 2006 10:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson Dear Jason, No problems. In FAIRCHILD v GLENHAVEN [2001] EWCA Civ 1881 it was reported that: "In Babcock, Fairchild and Dyson the court held that no liability attaches to an occupier of premises whether at common law prior to 1957 or under the Occupiers’ Liability Act 1957 from the mere fact that the workmen in these cases were exposed to asbestos dust in premises of which they were the occupiers. The language of section 2(2) of the 1957 Act, which referred to “care … to see that the visitor will be reasonably safe in using the premises for the purposes for which he is invited or permitted by the occupier to be there” relates to the static condition of the premises. Any liability in respect of a danger to which the workmen may be exposed as a consequence of activities performed on the premises falls to be determined by the common law (or by a different statute, such as section 63(1) of the Factories Act 1961). In these three cases, where the occupiers engaged competent independent contractors to carry out work on their premises, and where the occupiers did not know of the danger to which the workmen were exposed (even though they ought to have known it, at any rate from 1958 onwards), they were not liable for negligence at common law simply in their capacity as occupiers (see paras 149-155 of http://www.bailii.org/cg...+Co+Ltd+1966+&method=all for the judgement)." In the example we are dealing with it is not the state of the premises that gave rise to the injury but the activities that were going on. Who was carrying out the connection? The boat owner; however, the question arises was the boat owner at work? If he was not, Health and Safety law does not apply to him. However, in connecting to the electricity supply; other acts and regulations may apply, but not H&S law! As a consequence, the law that applies is the laws of contract and negligence. I will stick to negligence, as I don't have a copy of the contract documents. So, who owes duties to who? The marina (harbour/Quay) operator owes a duty of care to the boat owner and other parties; conversely, the boat owner owes a duty of care to the operator and other users of the marina. Now who's acts and omissions fell below the standards of the reasonable man in similar circumstances? The boat owner, in that he failed to ensure that his cable was not a trip hazard! Say for example; that the cable lay across the quay, but was not connected to the electricity supply; Would the trip hazard exist? Yes! However, if the cable was not there, did the electricity supply give rise to the trip hazard? No! Therefore, it was the cable and not the electricity supply power outlet that gave rise to the person tripping. So the next question whose cable was it? Was it the boat owners or the marina owners? I made the assumption that it was the boat owner who made the connection from the information provided. That is why I say that the boat owner is liable and not the marina owner. Regards Adrian Watson.
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#42 Posted : 03 February 2006 12:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jasonjg Hi Adrian I see and to some degree understand your points but am still struggling with how the owner is absolved of any responsibility in this particular case and other cases similar. The part that is getting me is the fact that the land owners are providing a service and therefore they surely must have some form of control of that said provided service for however long it is provided i.e. power throughout the night. I could understand your argument much more if the power was not available at certain times after dusk and that this was made obvious but it is not. In your argument could it not then be said that a golf course owner, who merely provide the ground and holes for which golfers will play upon, can absolve themselves any responsibly due to stray balls and do not owe any duty of care to members of the public whom may be using a walkway within the course. Does not the mere fact that he provides such services mean he has to take reasonable care for what could be a foreseeable risk in that activity because he is both in some form of control on what goes on there by the very fact of providing the service. One can understand that he cannot foresee any deliberate act of a person firing balls at persons within the boundaries etc but as I understand it, we are given strict rules with the chance of losing such membership if such actions were to happen. However, we are closer than this because the said public right of way is within the boundaries. Who then is liable for the stray golf ball should it strike someone within the golf course pathways who has only chosen to walk through and not participate in any activity that goes on there. I am not very good at analogies but I am getting into golf so two birds killed with one stone me thinks. Is a cricket ground not responsible for a stray ball hitting someone who has no active interests in what is going on at the cricket ground? Jason
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#43 Posted : 03 February 2006 12:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch In his opinion in the case of Lynne Patricia Graham v East of Scotland Water Authority [www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/ems2801.html], Lord Emslie commented “[6] In developing her submission that the action was irrelevant and should be dismissed, counsel for the defenders advanced two principal arguments. In the first place she maintained, by reference to a number of well-known authorities, that occupiers of land owed no duty to erect fences for the protection of visitors against permanent and obvious features of the environment. This rule applied to natural features such as cliffs, rivers and lochs, but it also applied to man-made or artificial features like railway embankments, ornamental ponds and canals. The rationale here was that individuals could be expected to look after their own safety in relation to permanent and familiar features of the landscape, and it was only where dangers were unusual, unfamiliar or concealed that different considerations applied. [7] In Hastie v Magistrates of Edinburgh 1907 S.C. 1102, the Inner House affirmed this rule, and dismissed as irrelevant the pursuer's claim for damages in respect of the drowning of his child in an artificial pond in a city park. Stevenson v Glasgow Corporation 1908 S.C. 1034 was a similar case where the defenders were held to be under no duty to fence the River Kelvin into which the pursuer's young child had fallen and been drowned. Thereafter, the same approach was strongly endorsed by the House of Lords in Taylor v Glasgow Corporation 1922 S.C. (H.L.) 1, and by the Inner House in Dumbreck v Robert Addie & Sons (Collieries) Ltd 1928 S.C. 547. More recently, in Duff v East Dunbartonshire Council and Others 1999 G.W.D. 22-1077, Lady Cosgrove again applied the established general rule, holding that a pursuer who fell down a steep embankment on to a rocky river-bank adjacent to a car park had no relevant claim. That decision was later followed by the Sheriff Principal of Grampian Highland and Islands in Strachan v Highland Council 1999 G.W.D. 38-1863, where the pursuer fell over a cliff after passing through a gap in a fence. So, if no responsibility on occupier in respect of a permanent hazard, what duty in respect of hazard introduced by facility user? A NEBOSH Diploma Part 2 question??! p
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#44 Posted : 03 February 2006 15:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By gburgess This has certainly created some discussion. Thanks to everyone who has responded. We are going to consider what we can do to prevent boat owners (yes it's their cable and yes its a 24/7 problem) having to trail cables across where people can walk. Thanks again. Greg
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#45 Posted : 03 February 2006 16:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister Whatever happened to "volenti non fit injuria"? Quaysides are dangerous. They often have obstructions such as ropes and cables. There is water/mud/silt. I guess I'm just old-fashioned enough to believe that some element of personal responsibility still exists
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#46 Posted : 03 February 2006 16:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin R. Bessant I cannot resist adding my "tuppence" worth. A few years ago I was the owner of a 58ft Narrowboat on the canals. Often when mooring one had to hammer mooring pins into the edge of towing paths and it was always a worry that some-one would fall over a pin or a mooring line at night. To combat that problem, one covered the sharp pin with an empty plastic bottle, upside down and without the bottom as protection and placed a light coloured "flag" marker on the rope so that it could be seen. This was a personal risk assessment based on the local circumstances. Surely a cable running across a gap also needs to be visibly marked or protected in some way to prevent accidents. Luckily most of the "power posts" that I came across were within 18" of the edge of the bank or mooring basin. Martin.
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#47 Posted : 03 February 2006 16:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH So G Burgess, have you got your answer yet? Regards
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