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#1 Posted : 01 February 2006 20:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Harry Tugwell I have an employee that will not wear safety footwear because they say they cannot find anything comfortable. There has been a mandatory requirement to wear safety footwear since July 05. This particular individual has ordered boots, but now refuses to wear them as they are not comfortable. I have sent them down to Arco and given them a free choice, but they return and say nothing is suitable. I have requested that they have their feet measured and they have returned with one size 71/2 & one 8 – now they state that they cannot get footwear to fit – but they seem to manage with domestic footwear. What action could anybody recommend?
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#2 Posted : 01 February 2006 22:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Harry The obvious answer is to purchase one safety shoe at size 7.5 and other at 8! However, judging from your other points it seems there is an underlying issue with this particular employee. Perhaps a frank discussion to get at the root of the problem is in order. Regards Ray
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#3 Posted : 01 February 2006 22:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Hi Harry I'm afraid that you must go that extra mile and research the availability of suitable foot PPE rather more thoroughly. Don't forget that "domestic" footwear is different in construction to protective footwear! As an example, I personally cannot wear many of the standard ranges of safety footwear because when I bend my foot as for lifting, or crouching, or even walking up steps with some; the steel toecap inflicts damage to the foot just behind where the toes join the foot. Also, many of them are too narrow for me to fit my toes comfortably into the rigid protected toe area. I've just re-read my comment and it reads as if I have kipper feet! This isn't so, they're just not average, and most PPE is built around "average". I don't buy my foot PPE from Arco incidentally; but that should not be consideredas a derogatory remark - they just don't sell what fits me best. Frank Hallett
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#4 Posted : 01 February 2006 22:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Day Hi harry i take it you have gone down the route of risk assessment and found it necessary to implement a footwear policy. First try and be subtle by placing pictures of deformed toes in his/her area of work and hope they can take the message that it is for their safety. Based on the grounds of the Health and safety at work act section 7 that it is their duty as employees to take reasonable care for themselves and to co-operate with the employer and to comply with the act, if this does not work... a disiplinary action should be made. In the first instance it worked for me.. I would like to hear other views on this matter Hope this helps A
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#5 Posted : 01 February 2006 22:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Cooper Harry I agree with Frank, I cannot wear just any safety footwear, and again Arco don't have any that are comfortable. I have broad feet, and one foot is larger than the other (like many people may I add), but I have found a supplier who meets all our employees needs including me, just some are harder to please than others, but you must persevere with them. Again, it appears there is an underlying problem here.
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#6 Posted : 02 February 2006 00:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Matt Bown Hi Since July 05? Assuming all efforts were made on the lead up to this date to roll out a new policy then i feel that 6 months is a reasonable time. Is it that the employee has genuine issues with footwear compatability? Is there a secondary/underlying issue or are they being obstructive? Have you tried paying for an paediatrist appointment to get a professional assessment ? This would support a case either way. If you have occ health input this may help with undertsnading underlying issues maybe? Can the employee be relocated to another task/area if its an incomatability/medical issue? Will speaking to shopfloor colleagues assist the process? Has anyone taken an open and honest conversation with them about the need and their obligations? IE line manager or HR or are they avoiding this? IF after all reasonable attempts have been taken, you may be left with a disciplinay process to achieve compliance. Good luck, Regards, matt
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#7 Posted : 02 February 2006 10:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC I was in Hull about two years ago and discovered that I had left my safety shoes at home. I found a supplier nearby who sold a pair of safety shoes for £12. They are the most comfy I have ever worn. They don't bug the tops and back of the toes, they don't chafe the ankles and they are wide enough to be really comfortable. I only had to add an inside comfy insole to them. They are made by 'Inyati'. Maybe worth a try.
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#8 Posted : 02 February 2006 10:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap Sack them for getting on your nerves
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#9 Posted : 02 February 2006 10:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By renown I had a similar problem with one of our factory workers. The first pair of boots were uncomfortable so he wouldn't wear them. He then told me he had a medical problem and needed wide-fitting boots. These were bought and again he didn't like them, still hurt his feet. I got H.R. involved, and a medical certificate was sought from his G.P. which stated he had bunions. As we had a duty to provide him with safety footwear, we decided to allow him to go to the safety footwear provider and find a pair of boots which he was happy with. This he did, and bought a pair of safety trainers, and is now happy as a pig in muck, always wears them! By going that extra mile, we found that there was an underlying issue and managed to cure the problem
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#10 Posted : 02 February 2006 10:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Altoft Move them away from the hazard, fit the job to the person by making it only as risky as his footwear will stand so either remove the hazards or protect against them in some otherway or if the hazard remains and PPE is the only possible (AFARP) response to the need to control a risk then replace the person. Legal precedents exist, you cannot by law allow a person to be injured just because you and the footwear industry cannot (AFARP) protect them. Hard but that is the position R
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#11 Posted : 02 February 2006 10:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC Like it Richard.
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#12 Posted : 15 March 2006 09:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By fudge when it comes to safety footwera i think its important because if something heavy falls on your foot then ur gonna break your foot but if you wear the safety footwera then you won't
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#13 Posted : 15 March 2006 09:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By fudge also i think safety isent very safe only i complete moron would wear them
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#14 Posted : 15 March 2006 09:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Matthews I had a similar problem with the size issue some months ago, this was overcome through bringing in our suppliers reps to talk over requirements, try various types (different makes are cut to different sizes even though the labels all show the same size!), we found a pair that done the job. Give your rep/supplier a call (they want your business). Sounds as though your real issue is deeper than ill fitting footwear though, and you need to overcome the attitude/behaviour of the employee. Good luck Chris
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#15 Posted : 15 March 2006 10:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Mace You state in your item that safety footwear has been mandatory at your place of employment since july 05, what caused this situation to arise, look more closely at why footwear is required (PPE should be the last controlling factor, is it), if your re-evaluation of the risk still requires safety footwear to be worn, then you must follow the other responses in regards to going the extra mile and ascertaining why the particular employee can not or will not wear it. Regards, MAM
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#16 Posted : 15 March 2006 13:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson One of the first pieces of case law on Contributory negligence was an issue just like this, the employer was found liable for the incident but the injured person was held 99% liable for his own injury. I get the feeling that this person is 'avin a laff!' give him / her suitable footwear and if not worn go down the discipline route, harsh but his TU would not back him in a claim if he refused to wear! The TU have been fighting for cdecades for worker protection, get his TU Rep to ave a word!
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#17 Posted : 15 March 2006 20:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman I take a size 6 1/2 in normal shoes but always go to 7 or 7 1/2 in safety shoes. Much less restriction and more comfortable. I've driven 500 miles today wearing safety shoes and no problems. Remember when I first had to wear them (1976 ?) Once the scars had healed and you had the callouses ( a couple of weeks) there was no problem. But, at that time, there was NO choice. And NO argument. Nowadays I find that safety shoes, apart from being a bit heavier and maybe a bit hotter, are the most comfortable (and certainly the cheapest) shoes I can buy. Same with safety glasses. I can buy smarter, lighter, cheaper prescription safety glasses (with detachable side shields (with CE approval)) than any other style or make of glasses. Wearing them now. And in the lead foundry tomorrow I will just clip on the side shields. Merv
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