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#1 Posted : 05 February 2006 21:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Uday
Hello Readers, Iam looking for some answers with regards to the following please.Are there any procedures with regards to manual handling of deceased from wards to mortuary,any special kind of trolley to be used for deceased, cleaning of the deceased trolly, Manual handling transferring of the deceased body from the containment trolley into the fridge space,need guidance and your suggestions with regards to safe moving and handling of the deceased by the attendants,What training should we suggest for the attendants eg:- storage of bodies, basic handling,infection control,is washing down the trolley with hot soapy water and wiped down with 70% alcohol sufficient or is there any other way and the schedule for washing the trolleys, PPE required for the attendants apart from hand gloves,plastic apron.What should be the capacity of the fridge cool room for storing the deceased persons and how long can the bodies remain in the cool room. Is stacking corpse on top of each other allowed, if yes then upto how many bodies can be stacked and how.Are there any recommended guidelines for mortuary facilities in the public hospitals please. How and when should the inspection of mortuary be done,what should (we) as HSE advisors look into when conducting any HSE inspections and or internal audits please.Any information and guidelines on the power supply,the ventilation and odour etc...
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#2 Posted : 06 February 2006 12:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Doug Russell
Not seen anything on the manual handling issues. There is recent advice on infection control aimed at funeral undertakers available on line at
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/web01.pdf. Earlier guidance for mortuary workers from the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens is not available on line but this press release gives some info.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2003/e03015.htm
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#3 Posted : 06 February 2006 15:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
Would the manual handling issues not be covered by the requirements of hospital and (UK) St Johns/Andrews ambulance staff in dealing with/handling pataints (some of which may be unconcious). Failing that I am sure that the fire brigade may have some casualty manual handling information / courses. Obviously you would require further training with regards to the occupational health side of things.

Also in UK police have policies on setting up and dealing with mortuaries in their major emergency plans. These are available through local council websites in the UK inline with their major emergency planning info for example - http://www.buckscc.gov.u...emergency_response_3.htm
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#4 Posted : 06 February 2006 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Longworth
Is this a serious question or what?
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#5 Posted : 06 February 2006 16:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Lewis
The document referred to by an earlier correspondent is "Controlling the risks of infection at work from human remains". As a source of information it is fabulous, well it is if you are in the business as it were.

Having visited mortuarie and medical schools and been involved in medical cadaver sessions I can tell you that the standard of "care" of the deceased varies widely across Europe. In the UK it is very good, France and Austria less so. Judging by the e.mail address you are in Australia so I guess that as civilised persons you treat your deceased with similar care to the UK.

What I cannot understand is why the fascination unless you are directly involved. If you are involved then are there not already procedures in place to develop and modify. Minimum sizes for mortuaries will depend on the history of the area you live in and the likelihood of a lot of people dying in a short space of time. This is really into emergency planning and as for stacking cadavers, if you are involved in a major disaster that will be the least of your worries in a climate such as yours. E.mail me if you want to discuss further.

Best Regards
John
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#6 Posted : 06 February 2006 19:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Saracen11
IOSH Moderators, although not a blatant miss-use of your policies, this seems to be the posting of a person that likes to amuse him/herself by stirring up emotions within the forum (see previous contributions).

Any chance it can be removed from the site for falling under the category of “Can you believe this?”

I can confidently say that in my experience, bodies of the deceased are not piled on top of each other…. The mere suggestion is abhorrent and disrespectful to both the ones who have passed away and their families (and indeed those affected by the loss e.g. friends/colleagues). Where the deceased are treated with anything less than respect, the perpetrators concerned have always been dealt with accordingly.

I again urge the moderators to remove this posting before it causes any more personal grief to those that are mourning the loss of a loved one – I am all for freedom of speech but there are times when respect for our fellow human being takes president!

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#7 Posted : 07 February 2006 04:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By A. L. Ure
Hold on - this is a pefectly legitimate request for help from someone whose only crime is not having English as his first language. Let's have a bit of tolerance, shall we?

Uday - I think we met in Oman at PDO?
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#8 Posted : 07 February 2006 11:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Lewis
Rather than trade info' which could be seen as distasteful to those not involved in this kind of work, may I suggest that Uday checks Google under the heading of "Mortuary Procedures". This might help Uday and satisfy the genuine concerns of Saracen11 as well.

There is a wealth of material available, much from Australia, but please disregard the Dover Mortuary, it is very Military in outlook and the procedures are not as relevant as other stuff available on the web.
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John
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#9 Posted : 07 February 2006 22:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Saracen11
Hmm! To clarify – Accidents at work have no social conscience! (Please folk, don’t anyone launch into another debate about how a persons social standing on the great ladder of life affects the way they operate from within and how others treat them… I know)

I do hope A. L. Ure I hope you are not suggesting I’ve disregarded the words of another Safety Professional just because they don’t speak English as a first language? I questioned the seriousness of the posting, as it appears to be a wind-up. If it isn’t a wind-up, then fair play, Uday – apologies if this is the case.

Uday, I hope you have found the answers you looked for!?!

John thanks for putting the argument into prospective.

Regards


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#10 Posted : 07 February 2006 23:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anthony Slinger
Those people who find this kind of work “distasteful” or who are “mourning the loss of a loved one” can avoid further grief by not clicking on a thread named “Mortuary Policy and Procedures Manual ( HSE )”
This is a real job done by real people who are subjected to real risks and looking at Udays previous postings it would appear that he is indeed one of those real people looking for health and safety advice.
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#11 Posted : 08 February 2006 00:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Uday
Readers of this forum are not kids and neither did I nor have the time to amuse myself for stirring up emotions within the forum.
I normally do not respond to responses like the one Sarcen11 has posted on this site,....just a note....If I were you Scarne11,I would have engaged my brains before I shoot through my mouth.
However Sarcen11 your apology is accepted....and the matter is closed....Iam real and was looking for help in the health and safety from the readers as in the past.

Thanks all friends ( you too Scarne11 )
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#12 Posted : 08 February 2006 00:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By A. L. Ure
To Saracen11

"This seems to be the posting of a person that likes to amuse him/herself by stirring up emotions within the forum (see previous contributions)".

These were your words, and the reason for my response calling for tolerance. The gentleman who posted the initial - genuine - request for assistance is a safety professional of good standing who I've known for some years. I am not suggesting that you "disregarded the words of another Safety Professional just because they don’t speak English as a first language", but I am suggesting that it is unfair and intolerant to call for the moderators to remove a thread purely on the basis that it covers a subject you find unpalatable, and I find the groundless allegation that his previous postings have been to "stir up emotions within the forum" even more unnacceptable.

That's the last contribution I will be making on the subject. Let's move on.
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#13 Posted : 08 February 2006 08:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Saracen11
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