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#1 Posted : 15 February 2006 17:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lorraine Shuker Report in the news today about a toddler who fell to his death at his mothers workplace. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4715492.stm It is common practice in many workplaces I've been at for parents to bring children on visits and I have always had worries and concerns about this. Trying to implement procedures to confine them to a 'safe' area like reception or getting them to at least sign them in as a visitor have fallen on deaf ears. How do you tackle this issue?
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#2 Posted : 15 February 2006 17:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By kanta As H & S Officer, I tackled this by saying children under 18 yrs of age are not allowed on the premises.Fullstop. the management are aware of the implictaions of not following this policy.
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#3 Posted : 16 February 2006 11:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH When working for Central Goverment, parents where allowed to bring their children into work, however there were strict guidelines the parents had to follow. Creshes are also provided.
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#4 Posted : 16 February 2006 12:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Lorraine, Banning groups of people may not be the answer for all workplaces, indeed, it may get you into the papers with the recent "Risk Averse" media hype, that said, I work for a manufacturing site, with lots of FLT and HGV movement and children under the age of 16 are not permitted to enter the site. This is a sensible risk based decision as in the past, hauliers and others have brought children onto the site in their vehicles (usually HGV). These children have been found walking the site alone, and I actually found one youngster at the wheel of a stationery HGV and saw him start the engine! One exception to this rule is competition time, we have competitions and prizes for our suppliers, a site tour, meal and speeches, we allow the families on site at this time, precautions are taken, PPE is worn, areas of risk cordoned off So, in summary, where do you work, what are the risks to young people, can it be managed? What do you think the average person on the street would say? Regards Andrew
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#5 Posted : 16 February 2006 12:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jos Andy, that’s true. But what was the 'perceived risk' to children in an office based environment before this tragedy? In reality it is more complex than that.
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#6 Posted : 16 February 2006 13:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric Taylor Jos, I work for the MoD in a factory/office setting. We do not have insurance cover for children at work so that makes it easy. To answer your questiuon about offices, If I look around our office, there are numerous electrical devices that a toddler could get in to trouble with. Imagine how much paperwork you would need if someones toddler pulled the kettle cable and tipped hot water all over themselves or stuck their finger in a socket etc, etc. Not worth the risk. I'm sure your finance managet would love the ivoice for electrical socket protectors too.
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#7 Posted : 16 February 2006 13:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ashley Williams Lets play devils advocate. Suppose I work in a public access area such as the Dole office (Jobcentre Plus) or a council one stop shop. If I chose to ban my staff bringing their kids in but allowed the public to do it, how long before i am infringing the employees human rights? Ash
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#8 Posted : 16 February 2006 14:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jos Eric. Maybe my response was not clear or misunderstood. I am fully aware of the hazards that you have mentioned and I agree. I was pointing out that many people perceive an office based environment as low risk and there are many issues to consider as you correctly said. This is what leads to complacency. In my opinion, if the specific workplace presents a risk to children they must be either prohibited from entering or fully supervised depending on the risks. But paper work or finance managers do not concern me. We are talking about human life.
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#9 Posted : 16 February 2006 16:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vincent Shields I would fully endorse what Jos says. The context is that people need to bring children into workplaces and often employers wish to offer the opportunity to do so, particularly in perceived low risk industries. Finance, paperwork etc are simply not drivers nor indeed appropriate considerations for dealing with this type of situation. Sensible safety involves being pragmatic and sensitive to what business and life is about. Accepting and managing risk is very challenging, and makes me wonder whether this is one of the reasons why people become 'risk averse' and simply try to prohibit things, without considering the impact or usefulness of such a decision. Vince
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#10 Posted : 09 March 2006 10:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Diane Thomason Sorry to come into this a bit late (well, a month) - I chanced on the thread while searching for something else. I work at a university and this problem was raised a few years ago. We produced a policy regarding children on site. Basically - banned from high risk areas, allowed in "public areas" e.g. bookshop, coffee shops. Entry to all other areas only with knowledge and permission of head of departments. We included a few safety guidelines. The policy was generally well received. If anyone would like to see it, feel free to email.
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