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#1 Posted : 16 February 2006 16:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nicholas Williams
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http://www.telegraph.co....2006/02/16/ixportal.html
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#2 Posted : 16 February 2006 16:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Interestingly, the villains of the piece are not in this case H&S Practitioners.

Rather - they seem to be vexatious litigants, mendacious lawyers, cowardly insurers and posturing politicians.

I wonder if this means that IOSH responses to these articles are finally making an impact?

As for the TV show he describes, it sounds just like "It's A Knockout!"
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#3 Posted : 16 February 2006 17:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen
A pot boiling piece of nonsensical bandwagon jumping by a right wing half wit taking an easy shot at a sitting duck on a slow news day.

Editor: “Boris I need 1500 words on what’s wrong with the modern world before we go for dinner at the Club tonight.”

Boris: “Er yes boss! Right away. (thinks) Crickey what do I write about? The illegal war in the Middle East, ruination of the environment, global warming, famine in Africa, earthquake in Pakistan? I know I’ll criticise those worker chappies for having the gall to think they’ve any right to get home in one piece!”

I hope neither IOSH nor the HSE grant this raving the dignity of a reply.
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#4 Posted : 16 February 2006 17:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lorraine Shuker
I'd just like to say I don't own a clipboard :-)
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#5 Posted : 16 February 2006 17:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
Apart from a few bits and peices in my opinion he has hit the nail on the head.

Go Borris...

Banzai!
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#6 Posted : 16 February 2006 18:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day

Spot on, for the whole pretty good in particular:

"Our modern pathetic airbagged society is the product of the lust of politicians to regulate and above all to be seen to be regulating, even when the law they are proposing is wholly unnecessary."

and

"But the most cowardly and reprehensible are the politicians, who never stop to think whether a piece of legislation is necessary, or whether the problem cited is already covered by statute.

All they think about is whether they will appear to be "doing something", whether they look strong, whether they look in control; and of course it is always easiest to look strong and in control if you are passing some coercive piece of legislation."

Dangerous dogs act and speed cameras spring to mind....

I shall never watch him on Have I Got News For You in quite the same way.
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#7 Posted : 16 February 2006 20:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen
And the ill-informed upper class twit was well beaten today in the Edinburgh University Rectorial!

Well done Green MSP Mark Ballard for sending him homeward tae think again (or in his case for tae think for the first time).

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#8 Posted : 17 February 2006 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick House
I have to agree that he has hit the nail squarely on the head in my opinion. Also, although Boris comes across (by his own choice) as a bit of a buffoon; if you look carefully at a lot of what he says, you will see that the vast majority of the time, he is simply saying what the average person in the street thinks.

Go Boris! It makes a refreshing change for an MP to be in tune with the average member of Joe Public, rather than the posturing pompous sycophant majority.
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#9 Posted : 17 February 2006 10:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve
I used to own a clipboard, but no longer because my kids have nicked it to bash each other with while watching Takeshi's Castle. (but they dont seem to want to wear the hard hats, safety gloves, knee / arm pads and safety glasses I have given them to play with ?)
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#10 Posted : 17 February 2006 11:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Haynes
Read the article - and like Clarkson's missives, a lot of what is said is plain common sense.
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#11 Posted : 17 February 2006 11:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick House
Exactly!
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#12 Posted : 17 February 2006 12:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Talbot
I love watching Takeshi's Castle - but I do wonder how many of the serious injuries are cut before transmission, we only ever get to see highlights.

This is "It's A Knockout" meets "No Brain, No Feeling" (a programme I have long wanted to get someone to make).

I hate to admit that I too agree with much of Boris's rant (I hate it because he's Tory, and shouldn't actually know what the common bloke thinks ... shame Tony lost that skill).

As for the printer - if it is the same model as ours it is so big that I would want people to have at least a rudementary training session before having to wrestle with it.
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#13 Posted : 17 February 2006 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By IT

I never thought I would say it.

He's right

Over prescribed legislation for the sake of legislation in alleged self regulated sectors of industry and he has identified a significant factor, the Politicians, but he missed some others out, such as Industry organisations that have their own agenda and competency schemes, including disjointed schemes that will only accept their system as being the most suited.

Seems like all he is pointing out is that "common sense" does not exist and if it did it would need to be legislated for and then all practioners of "common sense" would need to be trained and hold cards to use it. Only after of course writing a method statement and risk assessment for each practice and then ensuring it has an approved status, before it could be used.



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#14 Posted : 17 February 2006 13:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Mackessack
I rather like Boris, and that Clarkson fella's book (The World According to....) was a collection of extremely well-rounded and entertaining observations - elfnsafety only got knocked for 3 pages (in 300).

But the fact remains that both are overfed, pampered, ex-public school boys with over-inflated egos who have probably never actually experienced a days graft in the real world.

So what do they really know?
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#15 Posted : 17 February 2006 13:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter MacDonald
I've often thought that H&S is sometimes driven by the need to placate the Insurance companies. My evidence for these thoughts come from the number of Blue Chip clients I've had the pleasure of being a contractor for. I particularly love the way that when detailing accidents or incidents at Safety Meetings we have the client saying things like "OK, listen up. We had two bruised fingers and a trip last week. We're still hurting people guys and it's not good enough! What are we going to do. Rememember everyone has the right to come to work and not be hurt by us"

Couple of things I find funny are 1. The collective "we". I never hurt anybody, these guys hurt themselves. 2 If the client really cares about their employee's to the point that bruising to the fingers merits detailed investigation why, when they get the chance to relocate to another country where the Labour is cheaper and the labour laws not so oppressive, do they close up and put them on the dole.

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