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#1 Posted : 22 February 2006 12:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charlie Gunter Natural rubber latex (NRL) can cause alergic reactions similar to peanut alergic reactions which, in some circumstances, can be life-threatening. Many gloves (particularly those used by cleaners) contain latex. Has anyone had any experience of problems arising from the use of such gloves? If so how have you dealt with it? Regards Charlie
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#2 Posted : 22 February 2006 12:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham This is one aspect of health and safety where there is a great deal of nonsense talked. The "latex allergy" problem was/is confined to the single-use, powdered natural rubber latex gloves. Latex allergy, i.e. a type I reaction to the proteins in natural rubber latex, is extremely rare in unpowdered gloves, as the experience in Germany shows. They banned powdered NRL gloves some years ago, and in the words of one of their experts, Dr. Henning Allmers, at the international skin conference in Stockholm last June: "Latex allergy is history". Their health service has standardised on unpowdered, low protein, NRL gloves for health care workers. The type I reaction to the reusable gauntlets/gloves used by cleaners is virtually unkown, unless that person is so sensitised to NRL than ANY exposure triggers a problem. I have never encountered it in 26 years dealing with skin reactions to gloves. You might encounter a type IV reaction to the chemicals used in the manufacture of NRL gloves of this type, but you will find the same chemicals in other glove materials, e.g. nitrile. You are much more likely to encounter an irritant reaction due to the occlusion. This has been recognised in Germany, where if gloves have to be worn for more than 2 hours in total in an 8 hour shift, this qualifies as a hazardous situation and special precautions have to be taken (Technal Regulation for Hazardous Substances no. 531). Finally, to quote a leading UK dermatologist the other day in an e-mail to me: "The epidemic is over as we now have powder free and low release of NRL protein gloves in the NHS." If anyone wants to know more about this, we have a Technical Bulletin on Latex Allergy available at nominal cost via our website.
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#3 Posted : 22 February 2006 12:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sean Fraser Furtehr information available from HSE: http://www.hse.gov.uk/latex/
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#4 Posted : 22 February 2006 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Treat the HSE guidance with some caution! In my view, and that of other experts around Europe that I have discussed this with, the HSE overstates the latex allergy problem. In the vast majority of cases there is absolutely no need to adopt the approach being adopted by many inspectors that employers need to find alternative to natural rubber latex, unless the use of this is unavoidable. All the scientific evidence indicates that this is not necessary and that employers who adopt this approach may (a) be providing inferior protection and thus increasing the risk of damage to health of their workers and (b) increasing their operating costs for no good reason. I have put this to HSE but have you ever tried to get them to admit that anything they put out as guidance is wrong?
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#5 Posted : 16 March 2006 20:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By kanta You could purchase latex free gloves.At my workplace,we have approx three people a year who have an allergic reaction in the form of rashes and eczema. It is a rare allergy,but easy to solve.
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#6 Posted : 16 March 2006 20:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Firstly, there are several studies that show that unless a proper diagnosis has been carried out (prick or RAST test) it is often assumed that there is a latex allergy (i.e. a type I response to the latex protein) when this is not actually the case. (If anyone want the references contact me direct.) I have a client in the pharmaceutical industry who has a large number of workers who wear natural rubber latex gloves all day and have done so for some 15 years without a single case of latex allergy. Of course, what they use is a high quality, unpowdered, low free protein, natural rubber glove. Prof. Turjanmaa in Finland did a study which showed that if low protein, unpowdered natural rubber gloves are used, even many of those with a genuine latex allergy can wear them without a problem. There is at least one other study that shows a similar result. Why change to the more expensive alternatives when there is no real reason to do this? Since no other glove can match natural rubber latex for protection against biological hazards, what are the (legal) implications of changing to a non-latex glove (and thereby increasing the potential for infection of the glove user) when there is no good reason to do this?
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#7 Posted : 17 March 2006 09:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By max Some of the skin conditions caused by wearing the latex gloves are due to trapped moisture etc and not the substance itself. I've heard local reports of more true allergies to the replacement substances.
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#8 Posted : 17 March 2006 09:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham I have had several organisations contact me having changed from natural rubber latex gloves (where they experienced no problems at all) to nitrile gloves and then experiencing cases of type IV allergic reactions to the gloves. Most nitrile gloves contain many of the same chemicals (accelerators etc.) that are used in the manufacture of natural rubber latex gloves.
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#9 Posted : 07 April 2006 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Durkin Hi Charlie & Chris, Sorry to come late on this but there have been other similar threads.On cleaners gloves e.g. Marigolds,I thought they had liners hence the latex protein was not in intimate contact with the skin. Regards,disposable latex,sure low protein powder free are available & should now be substituted for the powdered type but what about COSHH & health surveillance.We have made the decision to substitute nitrile for latex.We ran a trial of nitrile & users seem satisfied.A cost element not mentioned by Chris is health surveillance? It may be cheap for the NHS(on site0 but for others it is quite expensive,more than the cost difference in switching Regards,Paul
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#10 Posted : 07 April 2006 12:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Regarding a COSHH risk assessment for natural rubber latex gloves, provided these are unpowdered and low protein, then the risk assessment is very simple. Based on the scientific evidence (and not the masses of 'hype' and non-sense that is being touted around)the risk is so negligible that it can be ignored. I have been collecting the evidence for some time now and it all point one way. Unpowdered, low protein natural rubber gloves are no more a risk than any other types of occlusive glove. In fact, Prof. Turjanmaa and her co-worders at the Finnish National Agency for Medicines conducted a trial and concluded that the unpowdered, low protein gloves "contain such low levels of the main natural rubber allergens that they are suitable not only for non-sllergenic persons but also for most of the sensitized users". I have other studies that have reached the same conclusion. In the words of a leading UK consultant dermatologist, specialising in contact dermatitis: "The allergy is over, now we have powder free and low release of NRL protein gloves in the NHS". Why do so many people continue to ignore the scientific evidence on this topic?
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#11 Posted : 07 April 2006 13:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham In my last posting I did not comment on the point raised about skin health surveillance. For guidance on this you should consult MS24 Medical Aspects of Occupational Skin Disease. Any worker wearing occlusive gloves (irrespective of material) is potentially liable to develop irritant contact dermatitis if the gloves are worn extensively and for long periods. (n Germany this is defined as more than a total of two hours in any eight hour shift. Dermatologically this is good guidance.) The risk of dermatitis is due to the hyperhydration that occurs underneath the glove, primarily from Trans-Epidermal Water Loss, enhanced under some circumstances by sweating. This causes damage to the skin cells (corneocytes). The risk is such that according to both COSHH and MS24 skin health surveillance is mandatory to ensure compliance.
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#12 Posted : 07 April 2006 14:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Durkin Thanks Chris, Your comments are re-assuring,however as long as the HSE put in the bogie of COSHH and H.S. for latex gloves(ipso facto) ,it will be avoided. After the responses,HSE have got about textured coatings,they probably will be very reluctant to make any decision about latex !!! How about an IOSH pressure group(NHS/PS)support???(Is there an interest in HEALTH issues !!)OOPs just seem a dying swan fly past. Regards,Paul
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#13 Posted : 07 April 2006 14:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. Hi all. I/we went with the HSE guidance on latex and, whilst recognising that the powdered are the higher risk. decided to stop using all latex gloves. seems this might have been overkill and that perhaps the HSE advice goes further than is needed but as someone with limited knowledge of this area I went wholly with the guidance. We have recently found that some people may have a reaction to the substitute vinyl gloves. Seems the bottom line is that no matter what you use someone somewhere will develop an allergic reaction. Seems then the best road is to monitor staff, who use protective gloves and attempt to react to any issues by trying different ones. I think or should that be hope?
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#14 Posted : 07 April 2006 15:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham The statement that you changed to vinyl gloves concerns me. There is evidence to support the view that vinyl gloves offer less effective protection against biological hazards, in particular viruses. Thus, by changing from NRL to vinyl you may be reducing the level of protection for the users. This could result in an interesting legal situation, were a user to suffer an infection that could be traced to glove failure! There is also concern about reactions to the plasticisers used in vinyl gloves. Some of these are chemicals called pthalates, known to be toxic. One further point. Care is needed in disposing of vinyl gloves. If incinerated they can release chlorine monomers and dioxins, both highly toxic. Unless the incinerator is able to remove these, then the emissions would not be acceptable and an alternative method of disposal will be needed.
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#15 Posted : 07 April 2006 15:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Paul Not latex this time, but do we always have to assume that HSE get everything right and should never be challenged? Just take a look at the COSHH ACoP. In its definition of a substance hazardous to health it is clear that substances without risk phrases can also be classified as such should their properties and the way they are used present a risk of damage to health. Then further on they state that you can do a risk assessment based on risk phrases. In my work, water is a common contributor to irritant contact dermatitis (wet work). It is news to me that water has a risk phrase. So when doing an assessment for wet work do I ignore the water and end up with zero risk and employees with irritant contact dermatitis? Who then carries the responsibility - me or the HSE?
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#16 Posted : 07 April 2006 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. Hi Charlie, you are making assumptions without knowledge. The work undertaken is not high risk and did not need the level of protection afforded by latex gloves. It was just historical that they were used. Yes I am aware that other gloves, not only vinyl, are also causing some alergic reactions, as i stated in my first post Cheers.
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#17 Posted : 07 April 2006 16:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Durkin Thanks Chris, Hope you tell the HSE that water is toxic !(I used to know it's LD50) What do you think happened to my swan !!(best,I could do for a Friday)No chance of drowning here the hosepipe ban has been extended indefinately. Regards,Paul
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#18 Posted : 07 April 2006 17:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Diane Thomason Chris, Regarding your posting above about HSE guidance: it doesn't say that you should ONLY do a risk assessment if the substance has a risk phrase or ONLY use risk phrases to do your assessmment. Surely you can assess the risks from wet work any way you want - in the COSHH manner if you want, or by means of a normal "5 steps" type RA if it makes better sense than the COSHH approach?
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#19 Posted : 07 April 2006 18:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Diane Of course you are right! It is up to us how we do a risk assessment. The point I was trying to make is that the guidance that HSE puts out is just that, guidance, and is sometimes inadequate or plain misleading. Why, then, do organisations take the guidance on latex allergy as a "must get rid of latex"? Incidentally, I had a case in a food processing plant employing 200. No chemicals with risk phrases at all in the particular part of the workplace, so COSHH essentials on-line said no risk! The client had contacted me as he has 20 cases of occupational dermatitis in this area!
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#20 Posted : 10 April 2006 11:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charlie Gunter Since my orginal posting on 22 Feb lots of useful stuff has been generated. My thanks to all who have contributed Charlie
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