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#1 Posted : 01 March 2006 09:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark R. Devlin Does anyone know of any mention of defibrillators in the First Aid Regs or have any thoughts as to their use ?
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#2 Posted : 01 March 2006 09:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Impey There is no mention of defibrillators in the Approved Code of Practice. As remarked in previous postings on this board on this subject, it is down to risk assessment whether additional specialist equipment is necessary. In some circumstances they are a very good idea, but only if there are a sufficient number of first aiders who are competent to use them, they are properly maintained, and the device is of the type which will not operate where that is inappropriate.
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#3 Posted : 01 March 2006 12:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By AJM What you need to do is what i have recently done, which is an assessment of first aid needs in which I took into account and mentioned that we are 14 miles from a hospital and in quite a hazardous environment, so one of my measures was de-fib training for certain people. The course is usaully 4 to 8 hours and needs refresher every 6 months. Regards Alan
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#4 Posted : 01 March 2006 13:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Mathews We have AEDs at two of our sites and on two occasions they have saved the lives of people who would have died had the AEDs not been available. Unless you can guarantee the ambulance getting to you and shocking the casualty within the first 5 minutes and your risk assessment shows a risk of cardiac arrest then you should have AEDs (my opinion). A lot of people are still scared of these things and there is no need to be, if you get the right one. With the type that we have any competent first aider would be able to use one even if they hadn’t had the training, in saying that I’m not advocating that untrained people should use them, I’m just making comment as to how simple they are to use. The main part of the training is really about the safety of the rescuers in not getting them shocked. The most difficult bit about using the AED is getting the box open once you have done that it starts talking to you and tells you what to do and when to do it. There are even pictures on the pads showing where on the body to stick them. Also the maintenance is minimal the batteries are long life guaranteed for 4 years and it tells you when they need replacing. All in all they are as idiot proof as they can be. Don’t forget if you have to use one the casualty is dead so you can’t make things any worse. Richard
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#5 Posted : 02 March 2006 08:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fred Pratley We have 2 sites, 1 with about 40 staff and an average ambulance/paramedic response of about 20 minutes, the other with some 600 staff and an average response of 8 minutes, but has taken 30. Average age of staff is middle 40's, mostly male - So both sites are provided with defib machines, and 1st aiders on both sites are fully trained in their use. However, Sod's law dictates that there won't be a 1st aider around when the problem arises, so I made sure both defibs are fully automatic to the point where even I could use it! Hopefully, neither will ever get used - and it is one less thing to be worried about! Fred
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