Posted By R. C. Hodson I would suggest getting this gent re-trained or at least put on refreshers! Take into consideration FLT licences are refreshed every 3 years. Training may pick up other defects such as bad eye sight since his original training if you take into consideration how long ago he got trained. Also how may bad habbits have you picked up since you passed your driving test? This may be the same for this gent and the machinary he operates! Ask yourself why is he so sure that his certificates are ok?? Just my thoughts anyway.

Posted By steven bentham Whilst my initial response is to 'vote' for the refresher. I would be more likely to say refresher if there are other hazards, such as proximity to members of the public or construction site. But its not just the refresher, will he have to join one of the card schemes, get his NVQ, pay additional fees (other than the refresher training). A person can drive on the road in their car (perhaps at work)without any refresher. How may IOSH members have taken refresher skills training for their cars (or advanced driving skills)!

Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke Hi Check if your insurance stipulates any training refresher period. Yes the NVQ route could solve your problems and get him the CSCS card. The NVQ 2 in mobile plant would serve both ends. Regards Linda SHE knows.

Posted By The toecap The question that needs addressing is 'is he competent'. Has there ever been any reports of bad practice or near misses etc. It can be annoying when a safety person stops an operator because his ticket has ran out. What about his skills as an operator. Remember CPCS is only voluntary and not compulsory. I suppose though the training won't do any harm. But what if he fails the test? We all have driving licences but some of us get caught speeding and thats safety proffesionals. So should those caught speeding be classed as in-competent?

Posted By alex mccreadie If the Gent has held a CSCS card it means he is already registered on a CITB approved scheme. Put him through a Health and Safety Touch screen test. (08704178777) Then get a CITB approved trainer to visit the site and carry out an Experienced Worker assessment.He would then be issued with a new card. This card would only be valid for a set period and he would have to prove his ability by further assessment or by filling in the magic book (issued with new card)to show he has completed 300 hours operating on whatever piece of plant. Job Done!!

Posted By Dave Wilson You as the client ie he is a contractor ,you should and must stiputae what level of compoetence your contractors must have, in all fields, devise this and then get all your contractors to comply! This will catch all subbies who may work for you.

Posted By Mike Hinton This is a very interesting topic. The HSE Guidance says you must provide training. It says you must provide refresher training. What it doesn't say is how often you must carry out this refresher training. I had a query from a client as to why I had a recommended three year retest date on my licenses. I had no answer it was just accepted practise neither the RTITB my accreditation provider could help or the HSE could give me a specific time for this. As a result they now have refresher training every 5 years. If an accident occurred you could look at your man's proof of competency which is his certificates no matter how old. Also has he had any accidents or near misses etc this is also proof of his competency which covers your requirements of vetting contractors. I dislike training providers that force the customers into unnecessary training purely for profit as it gives us a bad reputation. Hope this helps

Posted By Adrian Watson The Construction (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1996 states: "Training 28. Any person who carries out any activity involving construction work where training, technical knowledge or experience is necessary to reduce the risks of injury to any person shall possess such training, knowledge or experience, or be under such degree of supervision by a person having such training, knowledge or experience, as may be appropriate having regard to the nature of the activity." The regulations do not specify automatic retraining! My own view is similar to Mark's and Jerry's opinion in that I don't recommend automatic retraining; I strongly advocate a risk based assessment and training programme as follows: Very High Risk - Formally assess every six months; High risk - Formally assess every year; Medium Risk - Formally assess every two years; Low Risk - Formally assess every three years; and Record and if necessary retain! By formally assessing, I mean assessing against objective pre-defined standards, not the back of Joe’s fag-packet! There should also be assessments as follows, in addition to the above; On employment; On Promotion; and Immediately, after an accident or incident. This has the benefit of training people when needed and it allows you to train people on their areas of weakness not areas where they are fully competent and knowledgeable. This cuts down on training time. It also highlights where training can be improved. Regards Adrian Watson