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#1 Posted : 02 March 2006 11:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roy Scott2 My Role as a Health and Safety Manager is currently based in Ireland. I cover all our Factories on the island. We are expanding into the UK and Scotland and i have been asked to manage H&S in these locations. My question is , Can this work? and what are the potential difficulties i can expect to meet along the way?
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#2 Posted : 02 March 2006 14:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer You shouldn't have any issues providing you remain within the EC framework guidelines and associated H&S docs, guidelines, acops etc etc The one point to remember, the Scottish Law & courts framework is different from England & Wales and obviously Ireland - may be worth familiarising yourself with these.
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#3 Posted : 02 March 2006 16:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jerry Lucey Hi Roy, As far as safety management systems are concerned there are no differences and systems such as HSG(65) are recognised systems in England, Scotland or Ireland or whereever else so much of your safety management system can be imported from one location to another. There are subtle differences in legislation. For example in Ireland the requirement is for a Safety Statement whereas in the UK the requirement is to produce a Safety Policy and the requirements in both are very different. In Ireland a Safety Statement is required where more than three personnel are employed whereas in the UK, I seem to remember a safety policy does not need to be produced if employing more than ten personnel. The legislation is fairly similar but you will need to be familiar with the UK equivilant of Irish legislation e.g. C.O.S.H.H is the UK equivilant of part of the Irish Safety, Health & Welfare (General Application) Regulations 1993 and although they have been adopted from the same European Directives there are slight differences in how the the Directive is interpreted.
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#4 Posted : 03 March 2006 05:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman While there are significant differences in legislation from one country to another, even in the EU, the principles remain the same. Local experts, of which there should be one per site or country, should know what is applicable to them. Given that, what is/are the standards which your senior management (with your advice) have decided are the minimum requirements for the group ? An audit system derived from OHSAS 18000 would indicate the strengths and weaknesses of different sites and aid in indicating where particular actions should be adressed. However, nothing beats a site visit and chats with local management. What do they feel about safety, and how much consideration do they give to the health and safety of the workforce. And, a key indicator for me, when you walk through the work area, how safe do YOU feel ? Oddly enough, another key indicator is the car park. Maybe seem a bit stupid but are the safety rules clearly indicated ? (parking bays, one-way signs) Are the rules followed ? (no "wild" parking, visitors and handicapped bays respected) Is it required, and respected, that cars are parked in reverse gear ? (I know that one is a bit far out, but, for me, it is "best practice") Hey ho. It's 6h45 and I've had a good nights sleep coming down from a 400 mile drive home yesterday. Ready to kick ass. (again) Watch it. Merv By the way, on the subject of handicapped parking, I have some sticky labels for windscreens : Are you handicapped : physically, mentally, or morally ? Please tick the appropriate box. Should be applied directly in the driver's line of sight.
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#5 Posted : 03 March 2006 16:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Kimmins Roy Yes, keeping people safe is the same whether, they're in Timbukto or .. well anywhere. You control the risk of them being injured. It's about doing the right thing. David
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#6 Posted : 03 March 2006 23:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By snt Since there is no studies of law (as in Law of Tort) other than regulations and case law in becoming a safety practitioner, a safety professional meeting the criteria for membership of IOSH should be able to work anywhere in the world. The things to note is that law as relating to H&S is grounded in Law of Tort. The definition of Tort is a civil wrong, other than a breach of contract, for which the law provides a remedy. With this in mind, local knowledge would form part of the risk assessment as to regulations in place, but I doubt whether any country would not provide a remedy for wrong arising from health and safety negligence. What matters most is detail and comprehensive risk assessment.
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#7 Posted : 06 March 2006 08:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roy Scott2 Thanks for the feedback everyone, i am a MIOSH and agree that managing risk should remain the same regardless of where that risk is based. However, what, if any are the legal implications of having the 'safety manager' outside the jurisdiction? Can the Factory Manager be nonimated as the site competent person? What level of training would they need to be so nominated, bearing in mind that they would have access to myself? Roy
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#8 Posted : 06 March 2006 13:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Kimmins Roy, Now this is a totally different question and it is dependant on the country. For example in Germany the 'safety manager'has to be a government certified 'FASI' and it is prescriptive of how many you need for how many employees. Another example is that in Brazil there are goverment mandated CIPA teams and the team leader is elected for a 2 year role and is in a government protected position. Of course going back to your original question, there is nothing stopping you from another country manage these people. David
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