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Posted By Simon Carrier
Good afternoon
A question to test you. An employee fell over yesterday at work, due mainly to the weather and use of a shortcut. The First aiders did all that was required of them and he was despatched to the local hospital. He is now back at home and will be off until Monday. However when asked what the injury was the reply was, either badly bruised chest or a fractured rib, I think the Hospital had run out of money for the x ray machine!!. Never the less given this scenairio do we report it as an over 3 day or a Major injury.
regards
Simon
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Posted By Peter Longworth
Was he at work and did he have an accident? As a general rule, if the answers to these 2 questions are yes then I would report it. Questions of whether he should have been where he was ie taking a short cut are probably more relevant to liability in the event of a claim. Unless the circumstances obviously dictate otherwise eg the injured party suffered a heart attack, I would always err on the side of caution and report the incident
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Posted By Paul Price
Yes do report it as an over 3 day injury .
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Posted By Peter Longworth
Sorry
I'm such a smart alec I didn't read your original post correctly.
I agree it's got to be a 3 day injury, unless you have a proper diagnosis of a fracture.
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Posted By dave burrage
Could you report it as a >3 day injury and then update the report if & when there is further diagnosis of fracture? In circumstances where an injury is reported, there has to be a mechanism to update, for example a report of major injury could potentially become a fatality later on if the injuries are serious enough.
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Posted By Larry Emmerson
Hi
If you phone it in you will receive good advice on how to proceed
and you can update it when more information becomes available.
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Posted By Lynne Ratcliffe
Just to add some information regarding your comments on hospital and budget (something of which i have had to become aware as the year ends and i am having MRI done in trailer in a carpark to get lists down to meet targets!!!!).
I have previously most definitely fractured ribs and been told that they will only x-ray if there is a danger that it is unstable and may puncture the lung. The treatment is the same for badly bruised or broken and they prefer these days not to subject patients to unecessary x-rays.
Therefore you are unlikely to get a more accurate diagnosis unless something goes terribly wrong and the hospital will always treat as if it were broken. I would therefore report it to RIDDOR and state that the fracture has not been confirmed by x-ray.
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Posted By David. G. W
If in doubt, I would always contact the incident centre, as stated by another memebr they give good advice, and for the sake of one phone call, it could safe you potential problems!
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Posted By garyh
One point re reporting under RIDDOR. Well meaning people (including HSE Inspectors) say "if in doubt report it to be on the safe side". Fine. What they don't understand is that in many organisations your Safety KPIs include how many RIDDOR or other reports to statutory bodies you make.
So it isn't simple - by playing safe this can lead to repercussions reaching to a very high level in the Organisation. Rightly, some organisations hold senior Manager to account for such things. RIDDOR reports are seen as being serious matters (they are right in my view).
So I believe that only report if you are certain. In this case I would report it.
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Posted By pete049
I have read alot of interesting points on this subject and am interested in which way you went about reporting the matter (3 day, major injury etc) as I have just recently been ib the same situation.
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Posted By Simon Carrier
Pete
I reported it as an over 3 day injury as we could not confirm whether or not he fractured his rib. As a consequence of reporting this via the internet we had a phone call from local EHO who is going to visit us next week.
Simon
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Posted By Dave Wilson
How can it be an over 3 day if today is the first day of the 3 days, if he comes back to work on monday that is day 3, not over 3 days, as you do not count the day of the accident. If his normal working days are mon - fri then they do not count!
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Remember you have 10 days to report so it may have been prudent to wait and see what was what on monday, if he came back no need to report
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Posted By Dave Wilson
I lied! would have to count the weekend however if he was available for work on saturday then not reportable
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Posted By kanta
He was at work and had an accident,resulting in an unjury that resulted in him having three days off work.
I would report it as a RIDDOR
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Posted By Rob Yuill
I have always considered very carefully before reporting and explore thoroughly the term "out of or in connection with work" in deciding if an incident requires to be reported.
I had a similar situation and spoke to two Inspectors (one local and one in the area where the accident occurred.
The person fell down stairs and suffered an injury which initially we did not report, I was happy with decision as it was made after careful examination of the circumstances including lighting, stair construction, handrail etc, etc.
We are now being told by the HSE they would prefer if it had been reported, which we have, but as this is a "grey area" we would not face action if we didn't! I'm confused, particularly as the Inspector said that unless there is an identifiable cause e.g. loose shoe lace, medical condition that caused the incident, any unexplained fall should be reported. I have always been of the opinion that unless "work" (in its broadest sense) contributed to the incident, then it would not need to be reported.
Now I have to consider a person falling when walking along a corridor; with no defect identifiable and no contributory factor involved as being a potential RIDDOR. It seems that if an accident occurs at work then it is a potential RIDDOR regardless of the facts.
The HSE want statistics, and don't seem too concerned that the report is a genuine RIDDOR or not, as was said, if it isn't reportable we'll take no further action; so where does that leave those with a KPI based on reporatable accidents?
Rob
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Posted By Steve Holliday
Rob,
I don’t want to hijack this thread but in my experience you have to be very literal when dealing with “in connection with work” issues.
I had an occasion where an operative dislocated a shoulder. RIDDOR you would think. The dislocation occurred taking a ready meal tray from a microwave in the canteen on their lunch break and the IP was waiting for an operation for their shoulder to stop it dislocating. After much internal discussion the local HSE office was called and 3 inspectors, including the PI, all agreed that the incident was not in the spirit of RIDDOR but was reportable. Chalk one onto the KPI results!
Steve
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