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#1 Posted : 14 March 2006 12:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By PAUL TRANTER
Please can anyone give me some guidance with regards to what i should
include in the above procedure. We recently experienced a fire drill at the local public swimming baths which we hire as a club, which at its best was (terrible). In light of this i would like to draught a procedure which we can adopt as a club to ensure the safe passage of our members prior to and after the centre's emergency co-ordinator has evacuated the building.
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#2 Posted : 14 March 2006 13:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Walsh Grad IOSH
If the pool is open to the public surely there is an existing evacuation plan already in place.

The plan should cover the means for warning of a fire, using wardens (life guards) to ensure persons can get out of the pool and out of the premises efficiently and safely. Making sure that all the fire exits are available for use at all material times and having a designated point in a safe place away from the building for a roll call to be taken. As people will be in their bathing suits it may be beneficial to arrange with any nearby premises (e.g. a community centre) for the swimming club members to gather there in case of cold weather.

A system also needs to be in place for notifying the fire brigade of a fire so a mobile phone or payphone will need to be identified as being available. A record of the fire drill will need to be maintained with any problems identified with it and action taken to rectify any problems.
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#3 Posted : 14 March 2006 13:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
I think making sure the occupants of the pool are kept warm should also be considered, so a evac point outside would maybe not be suitable, also there could be a privacy issue
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#4 Posted : 14 March 2006 13:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clairey O
i think that you will find that in an emergency situation the swimming pools own EAP will take over from whatever you decide.

there is nothing to stop you however conducting a roll call of your swimmers adn teachers/coaches to make sure that you have got them all.

have you spoken to the centre staff about what they would like you to do?

In my former life as a pool manager we would hold the swimmers at the fire exit in the pool hall whilst we ascertained the need to exacuate the entire site or just part of it. the swimmers appreciated it as they didn't have to stand out in the freezing cold unless absolutley necessary. we also handed them survival blankets to help keep them warm.
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#5 Posted : 14 March 2006 17:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
When I first read the question I immediately thought of 50 virtually naked people being shoved out into the snow. (-8 C here today). The suggestion of keeping them close to the exit, and immediately handing out survival blankets is an excellent idea. I think the mylar ones cost about a pound each and take up very little room. They are also important for modesty. (I don't mind wearing just my speedos in or around the pool but I may not be too keen on huddling for warmth with the local highly-buffed weight lifting champion. Male or female. Could prove embarassing)

Cold feet may also be a problem.

Little job's-worths who insist on "everybody outside" may be terminated with maximum prejudice. It's called, I understand, Wet Work. Quite appropriate really.

Merv
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#6 Posted : 14 March 2006 18:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Joe Ridley
Hi there,

As part of your hire agreement the swimming pool should have given you a copy of their evacuation procedure. At the very least they should give you information on what to do in an emergency situation. This could be as basic as 'ensure your swimmers are out of the pool and ready to leave the building by the exit located at ...'. I have been on at our managers to ensure they have informed all clubs of their evacuation procedure.

As a matter of interest what was 'terrible'?

Joe
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#7 Posted : 14 March 2006 18:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day
Be wary of metal/mylar space blankets, they offer no insulation value, they prevent heat loss by radiation (which only accounts for about 5% of the body's total heat loss) and as a windproof sheet, it has been shown that they can cause heat loss as they act as a metallic heat sink.

RAF Search and Rescue are taught not to use them in contact with the body but to wrap casualty in blanket or insulating clothing/material and then put space blanket around the outside to keep the wind and wet out.
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#8 Posted : 14 March 2006 19:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
For short-term coverage for people who are not yet hypothermic I feel that mylar sheets are the most efficient and cost effective. Emergency rescue people are usually concerned with low numbers - maybe up to half a dozen. And they will most often have the space and ressources to carry a number of blankets or make other arrangements. Unless there is a major disaster, such as a ship or train wreck, which will stretch any group's emergency preparedness. And rescued people in those circumstances can usually be got into sheltered accomodation, even if only into an ambulance. Once rescued.

Here we are talking of maybe 50 to 200 people getting out of the water with minimum clothing who need to be held in more or less confortable circumstances. Nothing life threatening until maybe the fire develops and they have to quit the building. By which time emergency rescue teams will be coming along. We are also talking about an urban situation in which moving to other buildings - maybe the police station or a local schoool is an immediate option.

So, I would not suggest that every municipal swimming pool or club maintains or transports an appropriate number of blankets. Mylar, in my opinion, remains a sound, short-term, option.
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#9 Posted : 14 March 2006 20:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day

Merv, would most strongly disagree, a plastic sheet is far better and doesn't act as a heat sink, have treated too many cases of hypothermia induced by these space blankets, some of those after only 15 mins after wrapping themselves up.

The ones that ambulance services generally use have a material lining that helps with the heat sink effect.
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#10 Posted : 14 March 2006 21:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
Bret,

ok, you are technically correct, but my preference for something light and easy for club secretaries to transport is, I think, the best, most efficient solution that they can carry with them with the kit.

Remember we are only talking about light protection in urban circumstances. Really just keeping people confortable. And don't forget the modesty/Morale factor.

We can argue between us on the optimum solutions. But what is most practical in the probable situation ?

I'm not at all disputing your advice. Just, in the event of an emergency call at a municipal swimming pool, thinking about what would be best for the people involved and the cost effectiveness of emergency preparedness.

Can I buy you a beer ?

Merv
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#11 Posted : 15 March 2006 14:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day

Merv, will take you up on that beer !!

I think I have found a suitable compromise, have just got back from buying some screen wash from a certain high street car accessory shop, and they sell car covers, big square plastic sheets (will cover a mondeo size car) or a group of people or can be cut into smaller sheets, about 12-15 quid, packs into an A4 size pack quater inch thick, comes in solid blue, black or grey so solves the modesty problem.

Any flaws ??
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#12 Posted : 15 March 2006 19:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
Brett,

two beers. And, while driving down here today (toulouse) I did reflect on your posting and decided that you obviously knew more about the subject than me. I concede.

But car blankets ? Gott in himmel ! But then again, "nisi dominus aedificarverit" (my old school motto)(basing house)

Merv
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