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#1 Posted : 14 March 2006 13:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
I am having trouble finding a fabelled piece of information about secondary exposure to H2S gas.

I have seen it in safety videos and have heard it from countless colleagues (though maybe becuase they have seen the same video as me ;-) that if a person is exposed to a very high concentration of H2S that they would be more suceptable in the future to lower concentrations.

I understand that H2S is broken down in the body and can remain in the system for some time till it is oxidised or what ever. But after this, could a person be "sensitised"? to H2S. It is certainly not in EH40 as a sensitiser. But this must be founded somewhere, have also checked countless MSDS sheets and toxicology info.

So ramblimg concluded:

Can someone who has been exposued to a high conc. of H2S in the past, exhibit symptoms of or be more suseptable to lower concentrations of H2S sometime after ie. weeks or months.

If you are wanting to know the reason for this question, I have been asked if there is a secondary exposure limit to H2S for those who have been previously exposed. Heard a lot of talk but cant find anthing written down. A point in the right direction would be most appreciated. My short answer so far is no.

Thanking you in advance

Des
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#2 Posted : 14 March 2006 13:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Are you sure you have this the right way round. I am aware that exposure to low levels, generally below the threshhold of smell, can cause the nasal passages to be desensitised. Thus the person loses the ability to smell elevated levels.

I have not heard of your version I am afraid.

Bob
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#3 Posted : 14 March 2006 14:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
Yes sure this is the right way round, the desentisation you are refering to is the concentration level where sense of smell is lost.

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#4 Posted : 15 March 2006 11:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By jom
Descartes,

Here's two documents that comprehensively cover the toxicology of H2S. They added to my knowledge of what this chemical can do to us, although I still don't know the chemistry.

I can't see anything that answers your query.

It might be a good idea to put the question to these two organisations.

Is your basic quandary what precautions to take regards persons who have experienced an exposure event? Perhaps you first need to know if exposure can cause permanent tissue damage. I think it says somewhere here that odour sensitivity is permanenetly reduced.


http://www.intox.org/dat...ical/hydrosul/cie313.htm

www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp114-c1.pdf


John.

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#5 Posted : 15 March 2006 13:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By dave burrage
It is accepted in the H2S safety field that a persons reaction depends on four factors; frequency, duration and level of exposure plus individual physiological make-up. The gas has the ability to deaden the olfactory nerve at levels around 100ppm making it a very dangerous gas.
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#6 Posted : 15 March 2006 14:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
jom,

H2S (Hydrogen Sulphide gas) reacts with the mucous membranes of the lungs (or the water of the eyes)forming H2SO4 (Sulphuric acid).

The acid formed then reacts with the parts of the body causing major damage to the soft tissues and reacting with heamoglobin in the blood etc.

If inhaled, damage to the alveoli [sp?] or air sacs of the lungs ensues causing blood to leak into the lungs.

If untreated, the patient will suffer pulmonary oedema and drown on their own bodily fluids in worst cases.

It's a bit tricky to put down as a chemical reaction, but you get the general idea - not nice.

All this is obviously subject to the dose or exposure, but I guess permenant scarring of the alveoli could result in reduced lung function.

I don't know where I read all this stuff, but it was graphic enough for me to remember.

Suggest you go with the guidance other members have found and posted.
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#7 Posted : 15 March 2006 14:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
I mean't that you found and posted.
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#8 Posted : 15 March 2006 14:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
Thank you all very much for the responses, I have been able to close out this query in the following way:

in the event of a serious exposure to H2S resulting in medical treatment which would also probably involve a major accident investigation, resulting actions, involvement from the HSE and return to work risk assessment when the individual is released from hospital would cover this issue in the unlikely event that it did occur and have actions in place to prevent any further re-occurance.

Although we do work with h2s in our labs we have sufficient precautions, monitors and procedures in place to prevent and mitigate any possible exposure, though we also have personnel offshore which could potentially be affected.

Thanks for the help

Des
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#9 Posted : 15 March 2006 16:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Hydrogen sulphide is an irritant gas, and exposure to concentrations between 70 and 700 ppm may irritate the mucous membranes of the eyes and the respiratory tract. Pulmonary oedema or bronchial pneumonia is likely to follow prolonged exposure to concentrations of the order of 250 to 600 ppm. These levels of exposure may cause such symptoms as headache, dizziness, excitement, nausea or GI disturbances, dryness and sensation of pain in the nose, throat, and chest, and coughing.

Among the subacute and chronic effects of exposure to hydrogen sulphide, eye irritation that results in conjunctivitis or “gas eyes” is the most common and, ranging from mild to severe with extent and intensity of exposure, may include itching and smarting, a feeling of sand in the eyes, marked inflammation and swelling, cloudy cornea, and destruction of the epithelial layer and scaling that results in blurring of vision. Exposure to light may increase the painful effect. Atmospheric concentrations above 50 ppm and up to 300 ppm are conducive to this condition.

By far the greatest danger of inhaling of hydrogen sulphide is its acute effects. Whether the effects are acute or subacute and chronic depends on the concentration of the gas in the atmosphere. Death or permanent injury may also occur after very short exposure to small quantities of hydrogen sulphide. It acts directly upon the nervous system and results in paralyzing of respiratory centers. Contact with eyes causes painful conjunctivitis, sensitivity to light, tearing, and clouding of vision. Inhalation of low concentrations causes a runny nose with a sense of smell loss, laboured breathing, and shortness of breath. Direct contact with skin causes pain and redness. Other symptoms of exposure include profuse salivation, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, giddiness, headache, dizziness, confusion, rapid breathing, rapid heart beat, sweating, weakness, sudden collapse, unconsciousness, and death due to respiratory paralysis. Deaths occur rapidly on the site. Patients who have vital signs at hospital arrival usually survive, if severe hypoxic encephalopathy is absent. Histopathological evaluation most often reveals changes in the lung, brain, and heart. The thyroid and heart may also be target organs.

Concentrations of 700 ppm and above may result in acute poisoning, and although the gas is an irritant, the systemic effects from absorption of hydrogen sulphide into the bloodstream overshadow the irritant effects. These acute systemic effects result from the action of free hydrogen sulphide in the blood stream and occur whenever the gas is absorbed faster than it can be oxidized to pharmacologically inert compounds, such as thiosulfate or sulphate. Such oxidation occurs rapidly in humans or animals, and even following inhalation exposure to concentrations up to 700 ppm of hydrogen sulphide in the atmosphere, hydrogen sulphide does not appear in the exhaled breath. Relatively massive doses are required to overcome this protective activity of the body. Sodium sulphydrate, (NaHS), solution injected intravenously into dogs rapidly disappears from the circulating blood when a rate equivalent to 0.1 to 0.2 mg of hydrogen sulphide per kilogram of body weight per minute is not exceeded. When the amount absorbed into the bloodstream exceeds that which is readily oxidized, systemic poisoning results. There is a general action on the nervous system, hyperpnoea occurs shortly; and respiratory paralysis may follow immediately. This condition may be reached almost without warning because the originally detected odour of hydrogen sulphide may have disappeared as a result of olfactory fatigue. Unless the victim is removed to fresh air within a very few minutes and breathing is stimulated or induced by artificial respiration, death occurs. Unconsciousness and collapse occur within seconds in high concentrations; for that reason many persons have lost their lives attempting to save victims who collapsed from exposure. In such a case, holding the breath permits a brief stay in the atmosphere, whereas inhaling would cause almost immediate collapse.

Hydrogen sulphide is acutely toxic to humans as evidenced by the numerous reports of individuals fatally poisoned by accidental exposure. According to NIOSH, hydrogen sulphide is a leading cause of sudden death in the workplace. The odour threshold is reported as 25 ppb (0.035 mg/m3). Levels in the 3 to 5 ppm range cause an offensive odour. At levels around 100 ppm, no odour is detectable, because olfactory sensation is lost, which results in loss of warning properties at lethal levels. In reports of acute poisoning, systemic intoxication can result from a single (one to two breaths) massive exposure to concentrations usually greater than 1000 ppm. High levels of hydrogen sulphide inhaled act directly on the respiratory centre, causing respiratory paralysis with consequent asphyxia and subsequent death. At levels between 500 and 1000 ppm, acute effects include symptoms of sudden fatigue, headache, dizziness, intense anxiety, loss of olfactory function, nausea, abrupt loss of consciousness, disturbances of the optic nerves, hypertension, insomnia, mental disturbances, pulmonary oedema, coma, and convulsions and respiratory arrest, followed by cardiac failure and, often, death. Levels estimated at 250 ppm resulted in unconsciousness in three workers after several minutes of exposure. Cardiac effects in acute hydrogen sulphide intoxication have been reported in humans and animals. If exposure is terminated promptly, recovery occurs quickly. However, neurological effects have reportedly persisted in survivors of high-level exposure.

Two case studies noted neuropsychological dysfunction characterized by cognitive impairment, deficits of verbal fluency, disorders of written language, and impairment of various memory, psychomotor, and perceptual abilities in individuals acutely exposed to hydrogen sulphide. The persistent damage that has been observed after hydrogen sulphide exposure is not distinguishable from the effects of systemic anoxia or ischemia of the brain or heart, and no specific hydrogen sulphide chronic systemic toxicity has been defined.
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#10 Posted : 15 March 2006 16:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson
This is an abstract from Patty's Toxicology 5th Edn

Hydrogen sulphide is an irritant gas, and exposure to concentrations between 70 and 700 ppm may irritate the mucous membranes of the eyes and the respiratory tract. Pulmonary oedema or bronchial pneumonia is likely to follow prolonged exposure to concentrations of the order of 250 to 600 ppm. These levels of exposure may cause such symptoms as headache, dizziness, excitement, nausea or GI disturbances, dryness and sensation of pain in the nose, throat, and chest, and coughing.
Among the subacute and chronic effects of exposure to hydrogen sulphide, eye irritation that results in conjunctivitis or “gas eyes” is the most common and, ranging from mild to severe with extent and intensity of exposure, may include itching and smarting, a feeling of sand in the eyes, marked inflammation and swelling, cloudy cornea, and destruction of the epithelial layer and scaling that results in blurring of vision. Exposure to light may increase the painful effect. Atmospheric concentrations above 50 ppm and up to 300 ppm are conducive to this condition.

By far the greatest danger of inhaling of hydrogen sulphide is its acute effects. Whether the effects are acute or subacute and chronic depends on the concentration of the gas in the atmosphere. Death or permanent injury may also occur after very short exposure to small quantities of hydrogen sulphide. It acts directly upon the nervous system and results in paralyzing of respiratory centers. Contact with eyes causes painful conjunctivitis, sensitivity to light, tearing, and clouding of vision. Inhalation of low concentrations causes a runny nose with a sense of smell loss, laboured breathing, and shortness of breath. Direct contact with skin causes pain and redness. Other symptoms of exposure include profuse salivation, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, giddiness, headache, dizziness, confusion, rapid breathing, rapid heart beat, sweating, weakness, sudden collapse, unconsciousness, and death due to respiratory paralysis. Deaths occur rapidly on the site. Patients who have vital signs at hospital arrival usually survive, if severe hypoxic encephalopathy is absent. Histopathological evaluation most often reveals changes in the lung, brain, and heart. The thyroid and heart may also be target organs.

Concentrations of 700 ppm and above may result in acute poisoning, and although the gas is an irritant, the systemic effects from absorption of hydrogen sulphide into the bloodstream overshadow the irritant effects. These acute systemic effects result from the action of free hydrogen sulphide in the blood stream and occur whenever the gas is absorbed faster than it can be oxidized to pharmacologically inert compounds, such as thiosulfate or sulphate. Such oxidation occurs rapidly in humans or animals, and even following inhalation exposure to concentrations up to 700 ppm of hydrogen sulphide in the atmosphere, hydrogen sulphide does not appear in the exhaled breath. Relatively massive doses are required to overcome this protective activity of the body. Sodium sulphydrate, (NaHS), solution injected intravenously into dogs rapidly disappears from the circulating blood when a rate equivalent to 0.1 to 0.2 mg of hydrogen sulphide per kilogram of body weight per minute is not exceeded. When the amount absorbed into the bloodstream exceeds that which is readily oxidized, systemic poisoning results. There is a general action on the nervous system, hyperpnoea occurs shortly; and respiratory paralysis may follow immediately. This condition may be reached almost without warning because the originally detected odour of hydrogen sulphide may have disappeared as a result of olfactory fatigue. Unless the victim is removed to fresh air within a very few minutes and breathing is stimulated or induced by artificial respiration, death occurs. Unconsciousness and collapse occur within seconds in high concentrations; for that reason many persons have lost their lives attempting to save victims who collapsed from exposure. In such a case, holding the breath permits a brief stay in the atmosphere, whereas inhaling would cause almost immediate collapse.

Hydrogen sulphide is acutely toxic to humans as evidenced by the numerous reports of individuals fatally poisoned by accidental exposure. According to NIOSH, hydrogen sulphide is a leading cause of sudden death in the workplace. The odour threshold is reported as 25 ppb (0.035 mg/m3). Levels in the 3 to 5 ppm range cause an offensive odour. At levels around 100 ppm, no odour is detectable, because olfactory sensation is lost, which results in loss of warning properties at lethal levels. In reports of acute poisoning, systemic intoxication can result from a single (one to two breaths) massive exposure to concentrations usually greater than 1000 ppm. High levels of hydrogen sulphide inhaled act directly on the respiratory centre, causing respiratory paralysis with consequent asphyxia and subsequent death. At levels between 500 and 1000 ppm, acute effects include symptoms of sudden fatigue, headache, dizziness, intense anxiety, loss of olfactory function, nausea, abrupt loss of consciousness, disturbances of the optic nerves, hypertension, insomnia, mental disturbances, pulmonary oedema, coma, and convulsions and respiratory arrest, followed by cardiac failure and, often, death. Levels estimated at 250 ppm resulted in unconsciousness in three workers after several minutes of exposure. Cardiac effects in acute hydrogen sulphide intoxication have been reported in humans and animals. If exposure is terminated promptly, recovery occurs quickly. However, neurological effects have reportedly persisted in survivors of high-level exposure.

Two case studies noted neuropsychological dysfunction characterized by cognitive impairment, deficits of verbal fluency, disorders of written language, and impairment of various memory, psychomotor, and perceptual abilities in individuals acutely exposed to hydrogen sulphide. The persistent damage that has been observed after hydrogen sulphide exposure is not distinguishable from the effects of systemic anoxia or ischemia of the brain or heart, and no specific hydrogen sulphide chronic systemic toxicity has been defined.

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#11 Posted : 15 March 2006 16:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Adrian,

I'm impressed, was that from memory?

I think that's the document I read.
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#12 Posted : 15 March 2006 23:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richie
Descarte,

Just a comment on your very first posting, obvious though it seems.

You queried: "that if a person is exposed to a very high concentration of H2S that they would be more suceptable in the future to lower concentrations".

If a person is exposed to very high concentrations of H2S death is rapid.

What I suspect is that you may have picked up on the systemic properties of H2S? Just a thought.

Richie


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#13 Posted : 16 March 2006 09:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
Thank you all again for you comments and help on this matter, much appreciated.

and just to confirm that it was a question relating to post "serious" exposure to h2s ie. after becoming overcome and possibly requiring medical treatment.

I also read the idea about lung scaring due to the disolved h2s in liquid present in the lungs a very interesting idea.

Suffice to say in the highly unlikely event that this did occur (and I really hope it does not) I am sure we would take the coreect precuations relating to the person exposed in their return to work.

Many thanks

Des
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#14 Posted : 16 March 2006 09:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By jom
Desacartes,

>Although we do work with h2s in our labs we have >sufficient precautions, monitors and procedures >in place to prevent and mitigate any possible >exposure

With all respect, it can be pointed out that all of the measures mentioned are employed at installations that suffer fatal accidents.

This report might be of interest:-

9th Mar, 2005
New Zealand 060309-01 Auckland. University of Auckland. Emergency services were called to a gas cylinder explosion at the University of Auckland. The Fire Service northern communications centre shift manager said university staff reported a hydrogen sulphide cylinder had exploded in the Chemistry Department in the downtown campus.


source:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/ility/PI0610

John.
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#15 Posted : 16 March 2006 10:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh
My experience is that people tend to treat H2S with lack of respect; the fact that you can smell it an amounts way under the WEL gives them a false sense of security. At higher levels I believe that it impairs your olfactory nerve (so you can't smell it). How many people know that the WEL is the same as that for HCN? However if you ask people to be exposed to Cyanide they would rightly refuse. Ask then to go into an H2S environbment and it's no problem! (To some).

H2S kills - I did a google serach for "fatal H2S incident" and got 645 hits.

We need to get the message across that H2S is serious stuff!
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