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#1 Posted : 16 March 2006 16:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Durkin Hi, Please advise of recommendations for bag type carriers for laptops.The ones currently supplied only have 'one' side type strap handle.Previously I have seen some recommendations for school bags,is there anything similar? Regards,Paul
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#2 Posted : 16 March 2006 16:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Paul, I carry mine in a rucksack, but this still leaves a MH issue when I have to pick the thing up or put it in a luggage rack. One of the things we do is issue laptops which don't have drives; in effect they're large notebooks. This makes them very much lighter than conventional laptops, and the drives etc are in the docking station and can be used at base. Mine has an SD card reader so I can swap data, many of my colleagues use a USB dongle for the same purpose. In the end, do your M&HRA and take it from there; bear in mind that different people might need different solutions, for example some people might need little wheels on their bags, John
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#3 Posted : 16 March 2006 17:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gilly Margrave You can get specially designed back packs for laptos; for example http://www.posturite.co....Site/product/4700101.htm Gilly
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#4 Posted : 16 March 2006 17:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By max Our team use little trolley cases as we freuently have the laptop & data projector too.
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#5 Posted : 17 March 2006 14:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Beadle I thought that this must be a wind up, is the 1st April, I expect the next question might be on carrying brief cases, come on surely this forum is for serious H&S issues. John
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#6 Posted : 17 March 2006 14:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By gham lifting a pay cheque
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#7 Posted : 17 March 2006 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Daniel Stonehouse And since when was manual handling NOT a serious health issue? With great respect,if the thread is not deemed of sufficient criticality to you then please let others get on and give information.
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#8 Posted : 18 March 2006 00:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day A similar issue was brought up regarding school bags (by RoSPA IIRC) they were finding that the single handle and shoulder strap put all the weight on one side and it was affecting the spines as kids grew, am assuming that laptops potentially could be the same ?
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#9 Posted : 19 March 2006 09:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd Perhaps you can get a specially designed fork-lift attachment ? At the very least you should use a sack-barrow, then you could leave the drives connected and wheel it about. Vey strange. When the MH trainer arrived at work one of the things he had the guys doing was lifting a 25 litre drum, with some 450mm hold-down bolts inside, onto a bench to prove they knew the correct routine (total weight 25kg). I went outside and got the forklift, the guy said why did I need that, I said that there was no way I was going to lift anything that weight. I failed the course. Then made an official complaint to HSE about the guys training. And this is a serious discussion ? H&S ain't what it used to be !
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#10 Posted : 20 March 2006 15:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Durkin Hi All, Thanks for the responses,range from banal to good,seems a pity some respondants feel they have to vent their spleen when they have nothing useful to contribute(Daniel's point)The point made by Brett,re: poor design of school bags,was the very reason for my enquiry i.e. there has to be a better way to carry laptops than single strap bags!! Surely GOOD DESIGN should be part of our remit.NOT as in school bags good badging(i.e.Nike;Umbro;Donay;Chelsea !!!)Thanks Gilly,I will look at the Posturite site for sensible advice. Regards,Paul
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#11 Posted : 20 March 2006 16:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By SREdwards PLEASE BE AWARE: THIS RESPONSE IS TO BE DEEMED BANAL! The Manual Handling implications of carrying a laptop? I take it that the carrier is a fully grown adult generally capable of lifting the aforementioned offending ball and chain. Why not use the nicely designed handle instead of the strap....might alleviate the 'strain' on the shoulder. I'm all for designing out risk, but for the love of Zeus, let's prioritise our efforts before we sink beneath the weight of picayune
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#12 Posted : 20 March 2006 16:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Sorry all ye doubters, but I stick by my original comments. Most laptops are heavy, and employers do need to consider just how the lucky recipients are going to carry them. People do get musculo-skeletal injuries carrying uncomfortable and awkward bags, people exacerbate existing conditions as well, and I too doubt the sense of 'decdicated' laptop bags having only one handle. I have trecked through Nelson Lakes National Park in New Zealand carrying on my back everything I needed for eating, sleeping and so on for a week. The key point is that that was on my own time, at my own behest and for fun(?); I carry work stuff because I have to, John
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#13 Posted : 20 March 2006 16:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gilly Margrave To pick up on Brett's point about design of school bags - the charity BackCare has come up with some guidance and some products which are specifically aimed at children of variuous ages (and adults too. Have a look at: http://www.thechildrenss...fd565e98497b0239678fe1#c to find the distributor. Gilly
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#14 Posted : 20 March 2006 17:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Daniel Stonehouse With the greatest of respect to John and some others, having read the last few post it sounds as though people think that something needs to be in the region of 25 kg before it is a 'proper' manual handling issue. The fact you failed your manual handling course for refusing to lift something that you thought was too heavy for your own personal ability is another matter, and i agree totally that you should take this issue further. There are many people i work with that are absolutely 100% incapable of lifting 25 kg, and if the people that we are talking about are children then i fail to see how this is not a serious discussion. Anything that makes peoples working lives less harmful to their health needs to be investigated. As an aside, surely persons that have had back injuries in the past and are now back at work are entitled to a higher degree of protection from back strains than the average six foot four burly bolt lifter?
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#15 Posted : 21 March 2006 12:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cathy Ricketts We use a range of backpacks and trolleys - and allow individuals to choose the one that suits their needs best we have some back packs which also have dual use and double up as trolleys. Allowing the individual choice has reduced the number of complaints that we used to get - ie I cant use a back pack or The trolley makes my shoulder ache. The one thing we do monitor is what people are carrying in addition to their laptops as it is amazing what employees accumulate as "essential items" in their bags!
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