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#1 Posted : 17 March 2006 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fornhelper Happy St Patricks Day to you all !! We have a number of Social Work staff who pick up / drop off kids (all shapes and sizes!!) around the local area using their own cars (also all shapes and sizes !!). We do supply safety seats but I am concious that with different cars / different seats / different sized children etc there is potential for putting a square peg into a round hole and seats not being properly secured. The kids we pick up may vary from day to day depending on parents circumstances etc. We have offered to pay staff to have seats fitted permanently but, again, I am unsure what seats to recommend (we have arrangements for 'special needs children). Does anyone know a safety seat that 'fits all' or have any advice they could offer, it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers FH
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#2 Posted : 17 March 2006 16:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By jimmst212 The best systems are those that utilise the ISOFIX system. This attaches the seat directly to the car chasis. However they are expensive and only availible on newer cars. Sorry, hope it helps a bit though.
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#3 Posted : 18 March 2006 00:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day Another point is taht ISOFIX hasn't been fully standardised (apparently is due later this year), so some ISOFIX seats don't fit all cars and vice versa, the manufacturers can give you a list of what seats fit with thier cars. Once you have a compatable seat it's afer better than the seats that use to use the seat belt to secure them.
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#4 Posted : 20 March 2006 15:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Impey If you were to standardise on using carseats from Britax they have the Fit-finder facility on their website. http://www.britax.co.uk/ This will help determine if a particular model of carseat can be properly secured in a specific car, and where. You still need to provide staff with training on how carseats are correctly fitted. There is an excellent CD-ROM produced by Liverpool City Council Road Safety. If you let me have your e-mail address I will let you have more information.
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#5 Posted : 21 March 2006 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Bish Regardless of the make and fit of the seat, are the seats and fittings the subject of regular and recorded safety inspections and testing ? Are there also insurance implications to be considered - especially if they are being carried in the social workers own vehicles. In the event of an accident with multiple seat users there may also be some doubt that the retraints had been correctly adjusted for the person in the seat at the time
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#6 Posted : 21 March 2006 12:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Impey You also need to consider whether it is safe for the children to be transported without a second adult as escort. There may be individuals who without proper supervision may distract or actively intefere with the driver, or may open doors, or undo their restraint while the car is moving.
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#7 Posted : 21 March 2006 12:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Bellis Tony Quite right -I went through such a scenario with a social services group previously -they were using thier own cars to pick up "disabled" in various forms. They were insured for business use, for themselves - fine but whilst carrying clients in thier own cars, ita a bit different and needs to be clrified wiith the insurance company -there was also issues with children of below a certain age or with mental health problems being adequatly chaperoned etc etc... who says health and safety is easy! Paul
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#8 Posted : 21 March 2006 12:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jayne Dunn My only experience is with baby seats - if you go to Mothercare they will phone the manufactuers and check which seats fits your car. The manufacturers of the seats will also have a list of cars (make & model) that the seats fit. Regards jayne
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#9 Posted : 21 March 2006 16:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sheila EJ Keogh Did you know that new laws are due in this year (May), and all children up to 135 cm (approx 4.5 feet, usually about 11 years old) will need to have appropriate car seat restraints. That means it won't do to allow them to simply use the adult seat belt. Thought this may be relevant to you if the social workers also carry the siblings of disabled etc children. See RoSPA's website for more info, or www.childcarseats.org.uk/faqs/index/htm
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#10 Posted : 22 March 2006 03:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By alan2603 Once again the insurance issue is my concern have all your workers openly declared that they do this kind of transportation to their insurance company. If the car is involved in an accident and this comes out and it is not declared they will not pay out at all this is a very interesting can of worms.
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#11 Posted : 22 March 2006 12:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fornhelper Thanks everyone....I'd an idea it would be a 'can of worms' when I was asked about it but I always enjoy a challenge anyway.....one of the reasons I like my job so much !!! FH
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#12 Posted : 26 March 2006 13:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle In respect of child safety seats and child booster seats in cars new rules have recently been introduced, as follows; Transport Road Transport Press Release: New Seat Belt and Child Restraints Rules. Issuing department: Department for Transport. Issue date: 27 February 2006. Announces details of proposed new regulations aimed at improving road safety through more appropriate use of child restraints. The details are outlined in a decision letter following last year's consultation on the proposed changes. In summary the new requirements, set out in Council Dir 2003/20/EC, are that: - all children under 3 years old must use an appropriate child restraint when travelling in any car or goods vehicle (except in the rear of a taxi if a child seat is not available); - children aged 3 or more years old and up to 135 cms (approx 4 ft 5 inches) in height must use an appropriate child restraint when travelling in cars or goods vehicles fitted with seat belts (few exceptions are permitted); - rear-facing baby seats must not be used in seats with active frontal air-bag; - where seat belts are provided, the number of people carried in the rear of vehicles may not exceed the number of seats available fitted with seat belts or child restraints (to apply from May 2009); and - UN ECE 44.03 or later standard child restraints must be used from May 2008. Stuart
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#13 Posted : 27 March 2006 14:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson If children have any special needs or physical disabilities, then it is usual practice in any organised social or education work to have a trained person to be present during any transportation process. Consider a scenario of a child having a fit in the back of a car on a motorway or any busy town street? My wife works with special needs children and adults in a college training workplace and trained assistants are required at all times, and if transporting from work site to work site, then multiple assistants may be required to achieve an assistant to student ratio established from previous risk assessments and possible one to one care required within the student group.
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