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Posted By Paul Norton Can anyone remind of the legal position regarding the disclosure of accident investigation reports perhaps to claimants or enforcing authorities? How does the recent FIA affect this position. Can someone/anyone request a copy under the FIA? All thought appreciated.
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Posted By Jonathan McCoy Here in Ireland it would be classed as a breach of privacy to disclose personal details of an accident report to a third party. However state bodies such as the H.S.A. , Garda (Police), Director Of Public Prosecutions and etc have the power to access these documents and by court order if necessary. In the UK I'd nearly be certain that the same rules apply.
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Posted By Paul Norton Thanks Jonathan. I'm more concerned with the safety professional's follow up investigation report rather than the standard accident report form. Although the investigation report is aimed at preventing similar accidents happening again, if disclosed it can make an organisation more vulnerable to prosecution/civil action if disclosed as a huge amount of evidence is collected internally as part of the investigation process.
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Paul
I believe such reports are discoverable in the event of legal action unless they are written specifically as part of a company's defence and are subject to legal privilege. You need to take legal advice.
Paul
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Posted By Adrian Watson See previous threads on this subject; Accident investigation reports are fully disclosable unless produced soley for legal advice.
Regards Adrian Watson
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Posted By jom An Australian company placed its investigation of a major accident in the hands of its legal counsel. They were denied legal privelege before the investigaing authority by act of parliament.
They went to court over this and the judgement went against them, saying that legal privelege could legitimately be denied in some cases. They appealed that judgement, but the investigation came to an end before the appeal was heard.
The judgement examined the philosophy behind legal privelege, after looking at cases from the UK and the US. Some of the more interesting points are:-
. legal privelege is a privelege and not a right . it is a privelege of the client, not the lawyer . its purpose is not to benefit the client, but to benefit society by facilitating the process of justice . privelege may be denied in a particular case if doing so benefits society
John.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis The issue of legal privilege has been widely discussed previously on this forum. All documents are discoverable except those prepared in contemplation of legal proceedings in conjunction with your legal adviser. Ther are protocols that need to be followed, it is not simply a matter of typing "Subject to Legal Privilege" on the front page.
Judges still have the discretion to order disclosure should they determine overriding factors.
The FIA applies to public bodies, but disclosures of personal and confidential information relating to an individual is covered by the Data PA. Thus accident information has to disclosed to the relevant regulatory authority by statute but not to any other company or persons without consent. This actually includes safety representatives as far as I can judge but I would like to know of any case law on this.
Bob
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Posted By Paul Devlin It doesn't include safety reps although a fair amount of the big unionised companies did try and use the DPA to stop the reps receiving the information this was cleared up and the reps have the right to the information albeit the person/persons involved can request that their personal details are withdrawn.
It begs the question on how a rep can investigate an accident etc when they may not know qho had the accident???
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Posted By Adrian Watson Dear Paul,
You are allowed to know who had the accident! However, you're not allowed access to private information such as address and details of injury.
Regards Adrian Watson
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Paul
Can you cite the "clearing up", I thought Adrian's view was the current position?
Bob
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Posted By Robert K Lewis As an afterthought I checked the HSE site info
"Safety representatives are legally entitled to inspect records of accidents that employers have to keep under the Reporting of Injuries, Diseases and Dangerous Occurences Regulations 1995 (RIDDOR). The Accident Book BI510 is a valuable document that organisations can use to record accident information as part of their management of health and safety.
A tick box is included on each page of the Accident Book asking whether the injured person gives his or her consent to the disclosure of the information contained in that record to safety representatives.
The employer should:
if the injured person has ticked the tick box (and signed the form), disclose the information contained in the accident record, so far as it relates to the injured person, to safety representatives and/or representatives of employee safety; anonymise the information if the injured person does not tick the tick box and disclose it to safety representatives and/or representatives of employee safety. The arrangements to pass on this information should be discussed between employers, employees and/or their representatives. The aim should be to make the best possible use of this (and other) information to meet health and safety objectives. By following this approach you and your employer will not be infringing the Data Protection Act (DPA) or confidentiality law."
Which I think was my interpretation in any case.
Bob
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Posted By Paul Devlin I beg to differ Adrian sorry.
You are under the SRSC Reg allowed all the information and the person involved doesnt have the right to deny this, they can only request that their "personal details" are omitted which in my opinion would mean their name and address only.
I suppose it would depend on the AB etc on what personal details they write down on entries.
I would certainly expect no less than the full details of the accident including injuries sustained.
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Posted By Tony Brunskill Paul,
As a consultancy we have made arrangements through a specialist H&S Lawyer to undertake accident investigation under legal privilege. There is a need to jump through some legal hoops and it can be necessary to provide for the defense of one or more parties i.e where an action is against more than one accused relating to the same incident.
Regards
Tony
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Posted By Paul Devlin Therein lies the problem Robert, how many managers would direct the employee/person to tick the box so that they can send it on to the safety rep?
A more appropriate way would be to have the person tick the box if they didnt want the personal part of the records sent to the rep.
It seems the CITB did get their way slighlty in the end as it is my recollection that they were the instigators of the debate in the first place but I stand corrected if I'm wrong.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis The quote is a direct copy from the HSE website and so must be seen as the authoritative answer. The HSE are clear - No tick and signature - Then the full record must be anomynised before the rep sees it. This I think also means any detail which could be used as identification. Personal details are defined in the DPA and include sex/ address/ name/ medical information/religion/ sexual orientation among others.
The real problem is for major injuries - the affixing of ticks and signatures by the injured party is going to be a problem!
I am afraid that this is another example of Whitehall drafters not fully understanding the context of their words and also producing imprecision through the simplification of language.
Bob
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Posted By Adrian Watson I thought the information commisioner was the authoritive source of information regarding this subject as the Human Rights and Data Protection Acts are the main sources of law on this subject.
Regards Adrian Watson
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Posted By Robert K Lewis One presumes the HSE took advice - but that I suppose is one department talking to another. The HSE stated view does make sense though but I think that the practicalities make its operation difficult.
Bob
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Posted By Paul Norton Getting back onto the subject of a SHP's investigation reports, it would seem these are always discoverable as the SHE's motive is to learn and prevent future accidents not to influence any possible future legal proceeedings. It potentially puts the SHP in a precarious position as the evidence collected and presented in a report could ultimately be the crucial factor in whether liability is proven. Guess it shouldn't matter on a morale front as the whole evidence should be brought into consideration before any deliberations on liability are made.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Paul N
The purpose of investigating under legal privilege is to have the opportunity to undertake an in depth investigation, review the consequences and make necessary changes in order to provide a sensible defence. The regulator can gather the same evidence and then prove their case in court. From this perspective legal privilege does not cut across the role of the S&H practitioner. One might argue that it frees a company to be more open and honest internally to the problems that exist and face the challenges to resolve the issues.
Bob
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Posted By jackw. Hi, I refused to give an HSE inspectors a copy of my report into an accident. I was advised by my senior H&S manager that this was legitimate because it contained my opinion. His view, whilst the HSE are entitled to all the information, facts etc. they are not entitled to my opinion and should form there own on the basis of the facts, information etc. given to them. The HSE inspector (much to the horror of our managers present at the discussion of the incident with the HSE,)threatened me with prosecution. I held my ground and refused access to the investigation report. end result they didn't prosecute. Having said that it wasn't a major incident, injury, death etc. But they did back off.
Cheers.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Jackw
Lucky that time. If it is not under legal privilege you must hand it over to the inspector warts and all. Keep the accident report books to fact only. If you are doing a full investigation report then consider the consequences and talk to your legal advisers first.
I had a situation recently where the report and the recognition of exactly what went wrong and why provided the best evidence used by the HSE.
Bob
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Posted By DJ Bob,
Can I reiterate what you have said (which is correct in every detail) but add one further provisio.
To be effective, legal professional privilege must attach to the investigation and not just the report. Therefore, we (solicitors) must instruct the SHP before the investigation is even started.
Failure to do so, could result in the SHP being invited to a s.20 interview in which he/she is required to give answers to questions on his/her investigation (even if no report is produced).
Unfortunately, I regularly deal with situations where the SHP's report is a primary source of proseuction evidence.
When that happens, SHPs have a hard time explaining it to their employers/clients
Regards.
DJ.
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Posted By John Murgatroyd If they paid more attention to H&S, and less to trying to hide things under legal priviledge, they may not have to worry about prosectutions !
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Posted By Robert K Lewis DJ
Totally agree. I urge all my clients to have such protocols for seeking advice before anything is written down. We have written them for a significant number of employers.
John M
It is not about hiding the truth. The HSE are as capable as any S&H practitioner at uncovering the breakdowns in the systems etc. It is about making an honest assessment of one's failings in a cofessional type situation, if you see the analogy.
Bob
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